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49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by AlexCat49er:
Two things:

1. 4 games is a small sample size.

2. Matt Ryan had his worst season as a pro his first season under Shanahan. If that is because it was his first year in Shanahan's system, then that same excuse applies to this season.

If you take out Matt Ryan's rookie season and his MVP season, he's Andy Dalton (good, not great). That's who he is.

I mean 6 straight seasons with 4,000+ yards and only had a completion % below 60 once in his career. Dalton has two such yrs (above 4K) and has avg less TDs and the same amount of INTs on a per yr basis. Dalton also has a lower completion % thru his career.
Originally posted by OnTheClock:
Originally posted by 49erphan:
Last year the team seemed to play pretty well in the first half of many games and then fell apart in the second half. This year it seems like the opposite. There are probably a lot of factors involved in that but I think the ability of the HC/OC to adapt and adjust to the defense is probably a primary factor. We may not end up with any more wins than last year, but I like seeing the team do better in the second half rather than fall apart.

True, we rallied from 17-0 against Washington, we came back to tie against Indy, and also almost came back down against the Rams too. I think it's inconsistency, youth, and fundamental mistakes (penalties/drops) that are the difference between the wins and losses in the last five games. Well, and some terrible luck with bad timing of penalty calls.

We did come back as OTC noted and always fell just a little bit short. Now just improve us a tiny bit and that is enough to push us over at least 2, maybe 3 games for Ws. And CJ does that...he is substantially better than hoyer, not a little bit. Kyle planned to sit CJ until he was up to speed on the plays, but not after just 6 games. But he saw what we all did...hoyer is not the same QB he was under Kyle several yrs back. He was just good enough to help us get close. Way better than Gagbert and kap. But nowhere near enough to be the starter anywhere in the NFL. So Cj got the call about 3 or 4 games earlier, and after just 50 yards of O in the first 28 1/2 mins of first half, kyle had finally seen enough of hoyer. Got rewarded with a TD in the last 2 minutes. And then CJ went for 250 yds in the second half(some of that came in last 2 mins of first half). There was palpable evidence that CJ lifted this team. And that little lift was enough to have gotten us 2-3 Ws already. Maybe, probably, CJ wasn't quite ready, but did he look like he didnt know the plays?Not to me, he didn't. The fact he hung in the pocket except for two plays, speaks volumes about why he isnt a flash in the pan like kap, DeShaun Watson, kizer, and a whole host of other QBs who are not FR QBs. You gotta love the way CJ depended on his OL, even tho kigore was like an 8 lane freeway to the QB and fusco got mowed down or moved out of the way on most plays. On a scoring play over RT, my man Trenton cleared out a 6 foot hole for the score.
ANd it wasn't just a hole...it was two holes, all on his own. DJ has great blocking on both ends. (OTs), but up the gut....well kilgore and fusco are both FAILS. Lake is way better than beadles, but still not there yet. I am hopeful for him though as he has shown some very good play, mixed in with some fluffs. CJ is here to stay. He is our FR QB, altho it is way too early to tell. Just about time to promote Magnus now, unless kyle thinks he is not game ready. I would put him in for kilgore and go from there. At lest try it.

And think this thru: not FA ing Cuzins, saves us $30 mil/yr to spend on OG, C, #1WR, and maybe a cover corner. Imagine that.. Cj has a lot to prove between now and then. But cuzins, who we have no guarantee on, actually got outplayed by CJ. Sure he won the game for WASH. But if CJ plays all game, i bet CJ wins this one. No way to know, but he looked incredibly good for a rook on his first showing. Now...can he sustain that? If so, Houston, we got our FR QB. Fortunately there are still 10 games left to see if this was a fluke...or the real deal. I'm betting on the latter.
Originally posted by Niners816:
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
And even zack brown said he threw his self into garçon


I usually don't b***h about the refs but f**k
wheres 4ml and the other dude

I was certain it wasn't a called pick or rub play. To me it looked like a slant-flat concept between the X and the back.

Ignore the formation but the circled part is what it looked like to me. There's some natural rub action in this but Garcon's actions show this wasnt a designed pick play.


Now, we can argue if C.J. threw to the right guy because usually in these slant-flat plays the flat is primary.

At the time 816, i said i had never seen a pick play where the guy setting the pick is the primary target. The idea is to free up the OTHER guy. that is what made the call so goofy. If couldn't believe the ball went to Garcon, the guy setting the pick. How do you call an OPI on that? I know i have never seen that ever before. Shhesh.
  • jcs
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Run Pass ratio for the game

Snaps: 71 – Run (26.8%), Pass (73.2%)
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by mojave45:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Matt Ryan with Kyle = QBR 86 (MVP despite annual injuries to Julio Jones)
Matt Ryan without Kyle = QBR 64.3

Unfortunately Shanahan has the opposite effect on Hoyer.
We need Matt Ryan.

That doesn't even make sense. This is first year of an install with a placeholder at QB. We knew Hoyer would only be serviceable at best. We had to take what was available, Ryan wasn't, was he? Did you believe that this would be a winning season or something with the dog crap we had for talent when Kyle took over? Or would you rather mortgage the future in a rebuild to have made a splashy signing with no decent team around them?

What did I post that didn't make sense? Hoyer sucks in Kyle's system and Ryan does not.
I want a FQBotF and I think waiting to build the rest of the team up first is a bad idea.

Right Woo...bring in a potential FR Qb with NO effing center of the OL, no RG no C, and let them be the express way to the FR QB . Turn that QB into david Carr who got murdered every single play with no OL in front of him. I could name a slug of other notables, Dan Pastorini is a classic, with the Houston Oilers. They developed the "lookout" block and when their man went thru them like a hot knife thru butter, they turned around and yelled "LOOKOUT". When Pastorini was asked why he did speedboat racing, where it was dangerous for his health, he replied:
Dangerous? Hey, playing behind our OL is dangerous for your health. Too many QBs to count got ruined for that exact reason. NO OL. So at the very least, you gotta have an OL to protect your FR QB or very soon he will be just a dishrag and beat to holy krapt. Also they lose their confidence. NOPE, what you say is bass ackwards, and always will be. You FIX YOUR OL FIRST, and THEN bring in your FR QB. Bringing in the best QB to a non functional OL is a recipe for disaster and hx bears that out. You are dead wrong on this one bubba.

At least we got good OTs at either end, and we got TEs who can block. Laken is a big improvement over beadles, but still has a long way to go. Kilgore and fusco...can't wait til they are gone, and they will be come end of season.
  • FL9er
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Even with his best season, an MVP season, Ryan's career QB rating is 93, not much of a difference from Dalton's 89.

Yds/pass for their career: Ryan, 7.5; Dalton 7.3.

TDs/per year: Ryan 24. 6; Dalton 21. Before last year Ryan never threw for more than 32 TDs in a season, even Dalton has done that at least once.

We are talking about a difference of less than 30 yards passing per game as well for their careers and even this season.

Maybe I should've said a rich man's Dalton.

Agree to disagree.
For some, the natural euphoria that comes from another close loss, is only bested by the fact that they can now walk around and proclaim KS as the second best 0-6 coach of all time.... the fact that KS had to bench his hand picked QB to get to this distinction is irrelevant.... Somebody had to save KS from himself and, thankfully, Hoyer was able to do that.... Now all we need KS to do is go Ben McAdoo on us and quit calling plays.... focus on being a head coach
[ Edited by Follower on Oct 16, 2017 at 7:56 AM ]
Originally posted by Follower:
For some, the natural euphoria that comes from another close loss, is only bested by the fact that they can now walk around and proclaim KS as the second best 0-6 coach of all time.... the fact that KS had to bench his hand picked QB to get to this distinction is irrelevant.... Somebody had to save KS from himself and, thankfully, Hoyer was able to do that.... Now all we need KS to do is go Ben McAdoo on us and quit calling plays.... focus on being a head coach

he's the best coach we've had since Harbaugh. regardless of record. that's a fact. and that's why he got a 6-year deal. LONG term process.
[ Edited by defenderDX on Oct 16, 2017 at 8:02 AM ]
  • FL9er
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Originally posted by defenderDX:
he's the best coach we've had since Harbaugh. regardless of record. that's a fact. and that's why he got a 6-year deal. LONG term process.

You guys really need to stop replying to Grant.
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
he's the best coach we've had since Harbaugh. regardless of record. that's a fact. and that's why he got a 6-year deal. LONG term process.

You guys really need to stop replying to Grant.

is Follower grant cohn?
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
he's the best coach we've had since Harbaugh. regardless of record. that's a fact. and that's why he got a 6-year deal. LONG term process.

You guys really need to stop replying to Grant.

is Follower grant cohn?

Yes.
Originally posted by jcs:
Run Pass ratio for the game

Snaps: 71 – Run (26.8%), Pass (73.2%)

Makes sense when you're down 17 early.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
Originally posted by FL9er:
Originally posted by defenderDX:
he's the best coach we've had since Harbaugh. regardless of record. that's a fact. and that's why he got a 6-year deal. LONG term process.

You guys really need to stop replying to Grant.

is Follower grant cohn?

Yes.

yeah I see
I'm just glad we have a real coach at the helm again
  • bvc49
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Going with BeatHard was a tough call but the correct one.
Nice job coach.
[ Edited by bvc49 on Oct 16, 2017 at 8:36 AM ]
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