49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think it has anything to do with Jimmy not winning a SB. Its all about his playoff performances combined with his inability to stay healthy.

His health I get. That was the initial reason for wanting to move on. Somehow though it went from availability to non ability just to prop up the prospects that posters wanted to bring in. I was ready to move on from Jimmy last year too. But say what you want when the guy is out there he wins.

Just funny to me the different standards But whatevs.

So you think that only 4 TD's and 6 INT's with a passer rating of 74.1 in 6 playoff games is acceptable for a $100+ million QB?

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You forgot to add a 4-2 record in the playoffs.

With those #s, 95% of the credit for that record goes to the rest of the team, defense in particular. Perfect example of a team winning despite their QB.

Exactly! In the 2021 playoffs, the defense gave up an average of 15.7 ppg against DAL (31.2 ppg), GB (26.5 ppg) and LAR (27.1 ppg).

I think its fairly obvious at this point Jimmy is limited and Kyle got the most out of him that he could. Purdy stepped in as a rookie and imo was already better than Jimmy ever was. I'm not sure how amazing that makes Purdy at this time since we need more data and Jimmy is not exactly a high bar, but it definitely confirmed what I have always said about Jimmy.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think its fairly obvious at this point Jimmy is limited and Kyle got the most out of him that he could. Purdy stepped in as a rookie and imo was already better than Jimmy ever was. I'm not sure how amazing that makes Purdy at this time since we need more data and Jimmy is not exactly a high bar, but it definitely confirmed what I have always said about Jimmy.

It confirmed what everyone but the biggest Jimmy fans knew. The only ones still arguing it actually believe Jimmy is making Kyle. SLC had it right with the can't see forest from the trees meme.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I think its fairly obvious at this point Jimmy is limited and Kyle got the most out of him that he could. Purdy stepped in as a rookie and imo was already better than Jimmy ever was. I'm not sure how amazing that makes Purdy at this time since we need more data and Jimmy is not exactly a high bar, but it definitely confirmed what I have always said about Jimmy.

It confirmed what everyone but the biggest Jimmy fans knew. The only ones still arguing it actually believe Jimmy is making Kyle. SLC had it right with the can't see forest from the trees meme.

And many if those folks say Lance sucks and we need to move on lol There is no consistency in thought or logic on these forums.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
This is so full of crap. Niners win with Jimmy.

I've been told over and over again that the best we can hope for in this day of salary cap is making the playoffs. Then it's all about luck and anyone can win the superbowl at that point, and that we should be thankful we are getting in year in and year out.

But when it comes to Jimmy he needs to be great in the playoffs to get us over the hump. Well which one is it? Why does Jimmy need to be a hall of fame talent, but shanny just needs to take us to the playoffs. That is such a flaky take. The narrative changes when we talk about Shanahan and Jimmy. The very definition of double standard

Lol Niners also won with mr. irrelevant in his rookie yr. So save me all Jimmy does is win. All he does is win with Kyle on a f**king stud roster he helped put together.

Jimmy wasn't "great" in the playoffs, he was actually really f**king bad. Your trolling/bias is so blatantly obvious. Kyle has to win a Super Bowl or he blows. Jimmy tosses more INTs then TDs and has a horrible passer rating and that's "good enough" lol. Horrible BS take after another.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by jcs:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
I don't think it has anything to do with Jimmy not winning a SB. Its all about his playoff performances combined with his inability to stay healthy.

His health I get. That was the initial reason for wanting to move on. Somehow though it went from availability to non ability just to prop up the prospects that posters wanted to bring in. I was ready to move on from Jimmy last year too. But say what you want when the guy is out there he wins.

Just funny to me the different standards But whatevs.

So you think that only 4 TD's and 6 INT's with a passer rating of 74.1 in 6 playoff games is acceptable for a $100+ million QB?

You forgot to add a 4-2 record in the playoffs.

With those #s, 95% of the credit for that record goes to the rest of the team, defense in particular. Perfect example of a team winning despite their QB.

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BUT yet when when jimmy and Brock fo down they get crushed. DESPITE their qb my ass.

OK, you got me. Jimmy is better than absolutely no quarterback at all, lol.

Didn't they score their only touchdown of that game after Purdy went down?

When someone says DEPITE of, it means without affect. If they really were winning despite of Jimmy they wouldn't have lost 31-7. So no, this team isn't winning games DESPITE Jimmy.

How much did he affect the game he threw the ball 8 times? Also, he wasn't in the playoffs this year, so I wasn't saying we won despite him this year. Just the other 2.

I said it before, it would be a mini blessing if Purdy takes some time to get back on the field.

We get to play Lance, and see what's there. If he's showing growth, that's a plus. If he sucks, we revert to Purdy. Aside the Gameday logic, if both look good it helps if they want to trade one of them later on. Its a great problem to have. This league is all about finding a franchise QB.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I said it before, it would be a mini blessing if Purdy takes some time to get back on the field.

We get to play Lance, and see what's there. If he's showing growth, that's a plus. If he sucks, we revert to Purdy. Aside the Gameday logic, if both look good it helps if they want to trade one of them later on. Its a great problem to have. This league is all about finding a franchise QB.

It also helps when it comes time to negotiate contracts.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I said it before, it would be a mini blessing if Purdy takes some time to get back on the field.

We get to play Lance, and see what's there. If he's showing growth, that's a plus. If he sucks, we revert to Purdy. Aside the Gameday logic, if both look good it helps if they want to trade one of them later on. Its a great problem to have. This league is all about finding a franchise QB.

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm not directing this at anyone specific, I'm just saying... there's too many extremely well-respected players and coaches who call Kyle a genius, mastermind, wizard, and future HOF coach for me to take the average fan's take as anything remotely credible.

I've been a football nerd my whole life, and while I'm not employed by the NFL or a team, I see what these football professionals see. If you know football, I don't understand why some others can't see the same thing. No one is saying Kyle never ever makes a mistake or is infallible. Like, duh, he's human. But come on. We have people legit going to the extreme of saying we should fire him. Downright asinine.

I guess the average fan refuses to give any credence to Kyle's current and former players and coaches who were actually with him every day and/or study his stuff because they have to face him.

A lot of it is just Jimmy homerism (anything to absolve him of blame), and then it's kind of a habit now.

I think it's similar to assess a guy like Calvin Johnson's career. We would all agree he was a beast, no? He set all sorts of records. Practically uncoverable. But he never won a SB or maybe even a playoff game. Would you call his career a waste? Would you say he sucked because he never won a SB?

We were in the doldrums before Kyle arrived. If I die tomorrow, I can look back and say wow the past few years gave me a lot of pleasure as a Niners fan. We didn't win it all, but some fans wait 10-15 years just to see a playoff appearance.

Originally posted by Silky:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by OnTheClock:
I'm not directing this at anyone specific, I'm just saying... there's too many extremely well-respected players and coaches who call Kyle a genius, mastermind, wizard, and future HOF coach for me to take the average fan's take as anything remotely credible.

I've been a football nerd my whole life, and while I'm not employed by the NFL or a team, I see what these football professionals see. If you know football, I don't understand why some others can't see the same thing. No one is saying Kyle never ever makes a mistake or is infallible. Like, duh, he's human. But come on. We have people legit going to the extreme of saying we should fire him. Downright asinine.

I guess the average fan refuses to give any credence to Kyle's current and former players and coaches who were actually with him every day and/or study his stuff because they have to face him.

A lot of it is just Jimmy homerism (anything to absolve him of blame), and then it's kind of a habit now.

I think it's similar to assess a guy like Calvin Johnson's career. We would all agree he was a beast, no? He set all sorts of records. Practically uncoverable. But he never won a SB or maybe even a playoff game. Would you call his career a waste? Would you say he sucked because he never won a SB?

We were in the doldrums before Kyle arrived. If I die tomorrow, I can look back and say wow the past few years gave me a lot of pleasure as a Niners fan. We didn't win it all, but some fans wait 10-15 years just to see a playoff appearance.

The standard is Super Bowls. KS will get one, he's too good not to

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

Do we really have enough cap room and draft capital to make another big move?

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

Do we really have enough cap room and draft capital to make another big move?

Probally not in the off season, but we were barely paying CMC anything this season, the Rams with Miller/OBJ were bargains when they won the SB. Eagles picked up Quinn with the Bears paying over half his salary etc.

We have plenty of 2024 draft capital. If we go all in it's more likely to be during the season when we know what positions will put us over the top and other teams are looking to unload.

At this point there's 32 teams who believe they have the players to make a run in their division. Harder to pry away players.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And Reid was 0-20 at one point, Tomlin is 1-15, Payton is 1-15… trying to make a HC bad because they haven't won a Super Bowl is one of the dumbest, childish, and most uneducated hills to die on.

Payton had 16 years with a HOF QB and the only time he won a SB is when the league grabbed his team by the hand in the playoffs and gave them a push so they could run endless stories about perseverance after New Orleans got flooded over in Katrina.

Kyle has as many conference championship appearances as the Saints franchise in its entire history and some of the same people bashing Kyle wanted him fired and replaced by that guy.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
And Reid was 0-20 at one point, Tomlin is 1-15, Payton is 1-15… trying to make a HC bad because they haven't won a Super Bowl is one of the dumbest, childish, and most uneducated hills to die on.

Payton had 16 years with a HOF QB and the only time he won a SB is when the league grabbed his team by the hand in the playoffs and gave them a push so they could run endless stories about perseverance after New Orleans got flooded over in Katrina.

Kyle has as many conference championship appearances as the Saints franchise in its entire history and some of the same people bashing Kyle wanted him fired and replaced by that guy.

Dude it's unreal. Same stuff with Tomlin, he was handed a Super Bowl winning roster.

What I got from both your responses was….Super Bowl winner and Super Bowl winner….can't hold a torch to our 2nd place trophy winner because they got "lucky". I wonder if either of you would be willing to trade Kyle's SB loss and handful of playoff losses for just one of those SB trophies