49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Lol wut. Horrible analogy by Joe. How many shots on goal did the 90s Bills have ? Or the 00s Eagles have ? Nothing to show for some pretty decent rosters.

looks to me like Kyle is heading in that direction. I'm praying that he proves me otherwise. I just want this team to win a championship in my lifetime, then they can do all the cute preposterous s**t they want for the next decade, and I'll be ok with it until I get that itch again…

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

We had to go all in because our drafting was poor, so we were never going to overcome Dallas. The all- in move was to have a guy like Trey that had the potential to overcome an elite QB. They have stacked the team as well as anyone. To me, the move is to fill in the obvious holes and don't do any wtf picks. No running backs. No receivers for that matter either unless the value is insane and they can return kicks/punts.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

We had to go all in because our drafting was poor, so we were never going to overcome Dallas. The all- in move was to have a guy like Trey that had the potential to overcome an elite QB. They have stacked the team as well as anyone. To me, the move is to fill in the obvious holes and don't do any wtf picks. No running backs. No receivers for that matter either unless the value is insane and they can return kicks/punts.

I like Ray-Ray as a returner. I would even give Gray a few looks at kick return. I agree. I would draft another CB, safety and the rest of our picks on O line and DT.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Lol wut. Horrible analogy by Joe. How many shots on goal did the 90s Bills have ? Or the 00s Eagles have ? Nothing to show for some pretty decent rosters.

looks to me like Kyle is heading in that direction. I'm praying that he proves me otherwise. I just want this team to win a championship in my lifetime, then they can do all the cute preposterous s**t they want for the next decade, and I'll be ok with it until I get that itch again…

Not really. Vegas has them as the top team in the NFC. The emergence of Purdy and hopefully Trey extends that window. So long as they can keep adding talent, they should get there. The 90s Bills and 00s Eagles did not do that. After their initial class of great stars, no one was added.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Shanny and Lynch likely to realize how close they are.. will we see another ALL IN type move? This is how we won our 5th. Kept falling short then went ALL IN. Caps for emphasis cuz we really went all in back in the day.

We had to go all in because our drafting was poor, so we were never going to overcome Dallas. The all- in move was to have a guy like Trey that had the potential to overcome an elite QB. They have stacked the team as well as anyone. To me, the move is to fill in the obvious holes and don't do any wtf picks. No running backs. No receivers for that matter either unless the value is insane and they can return kicks/punts.

I like Ray-Ray as a returner. I would even give Gray a few looks at kick return. I agree. I would draft another CB, safety and the rest of our picks on O line and DT.

I like him too but saying they are going have to provide some other value besides receiver because they aren't cracking that top 4.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Lol wut. Horrible analogy by Joe. How many shots on goal did the 90s Bills have ? Or the 00s Eagles have ? Nothing to show for some pretty decent rosters.

looks to me like Kyle is heading in that direction. I'm praying that he proves me otherwise. I just want this team to win a championship in my lifetime, then they can do all the cute preposterous s**t they want for the next decade, and I'll be ok with it until I get that itch again…

How many coaches should the Pittsburg Steelers have had in their storied franchise then, in your opinion? They've won 1 more than us, 2 more recent than us, but far less success over the past decade. How long ago should they have fired Tomln? BTW, getting an itch is a horrible reason to fire a coach. They make lotions for that s**t.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Lol wut. Horrible analogy by Joe. How many shots on goal did the 90s Bills have ? Or the 00s Eagles have ? Nothing to show for some pretty decent rosters.

looks to me like Kyle is heading in that direction. I'm praying that he proves me otherwise. I just want this team to win a championship in my lifetime, then they can do all the cute preposterous s**t they want for the next decade, and I'll be ok with it until I get that itch again…

Not really. Vegas has them as the top team in the NFC. The emergence of Purdy and hopefully Trey extends that window. So long as they can keep adding talent, they should get there. The 90s Bills and 00s Eagles did not do that. After their initial class of great stars, no one was added.

Bringing up the Eagles is great. I'm sure doc would have been one of the fans calling for Reid to be fired. Now he has twice as many trophies as they do.

This conversation has so many parallels to Trey Lance it's eerie, but extremely informative. Fans want Kyle gone because he hasn't won the SB yet and Trey gone because he hasn't played yet. Doc would have us go through Tomsulas and Kelleys every year until we got a coach that wins it, but only giving them a few years to do that extremely handicaps their ability to succeed. Look at the Browns, Texans, Lions and tell me how well that strategy is working for them.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by HONEYBADGER:
Since his team allowed zero sacks I think he is ok.

So when it works, it's a good playcall, when it doesn't, it's a bad playcall.

The key there is *it worked.* The sprint right option never worked in practice, but when Walsh called it, it worked. I think ShanaLynch are going to review the entire season to make sure they have the right scheme, philosophy, and strategy considering they have two good QBs on their rookie contracts. The Superbowl window is certainly more open during a Rookies contract considering how the cap limits the talent you have on the team to a certain extent, than at any other time. Although Mahomes won despite not being on his rookie contract.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Lol wut. Horrible analogy by Joe. How many shots on goal did the 90s Bills have ? Or the 00s Eagles have ? Nothing to show for some pretty decent rosters.

looks to me like Kyle is heading in that direction. I'm praying that he proves me otherwise. I just want this team to win a championship in my lifetime, then they can do all the cute preposterous s**t they want for the next decade, and I'll be ok with it until I get that itch again…

Not really. Vegas has them as the top team in the NFC. The emergence of Purdy and hopefully Trey extends that window. So long as they can keep adding talent, they should get there. The 90s Bills and 00s Eagles did not do that. After their initial class of great stars, no one was added.

Bringing up the Eagles is great. I'm sure doc would have been one of the fans calling for Reid to be fired. Now he has twice as many trophies as they do.

This conversation has so many parallels to Trey Lance it's eerie, but extremely informative. Fans want Kyle gone because he hasn't won the SB yet and Trey gone because he hasn't played yet. Doc would have us go through Tomsulas and Kelleys every year until we got a coach that wins it, but only giving them a few years to do that extremely handicaps their ability to succeed. Look at the Browns, Texans, Lions and tell me how well that strategy is working for them.

Of course Reid should have been fired. He was the ultimate underachiever in Philadelphia.

I hope Jed's thinking isn't as shallow as some of you guy's. Kyle would be here for the next 20 years as long as he gets 10 wins bc to the lot of you that's a successful season

10 wins and playoffs *is* a successful season. It's not *as* successful as a NFC CG appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB victory. But there are degrees to this, and one way to be *less and less* successful and never even make the playoffs is to fire a coach who has really good success because they haven't had the *highest* success yet. Especially when there's zero idea of who that replacement individual is. Will this mythical person have the respect of the locker room, the scouts, the GM, the ownership? Will they even be able to sniff Kyle's success? Because while Kyle hasn't reached the pinnacle he *has* in 3/4 recent seasons climbed higher than 87% of the other head coaches. Those odds indicate there's a bigger chance to get worse than get better with someone else in that role.

Originally posted by captveg:
10 wins and playoffs *is* a successful season. It's not *as* successful as a NFC CG appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB victory. But there are degrees to this, and one way to be *less and less* successful and never even make the playoffs is to fire a coach who has really good success because they haven't had the *highest* success yet. Especially when there's zero idea of who that replacement individual is. Will this mythical person have the respect of the locker room, the scouts, the GM, the ownership? Will they even be able to sniff Kyle's success? Because while Kyle hasn't reached the pinnacle he *has* in 3/4 recent seasons climbed higher than 87% of the other head coaches. Those odds indicate there's a bigger chance to get worse than get better with someone else in that role.

Great post.

Originally posted by captveg:
10 wins and playoffs *is* a successful season. It's not *as* successful as a NFC CG appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB victory. But there are degrees to this, and one way to be *less and less* successful and never even make the playoffs is to fire a coach who has really good success because they haven't had the *highest* success yet. Especially when there's zero idea of who that replacement individual is. Will this mythical person have the respect of the locker room, the scouts, the GM, the ownership? Will they even be able to sniff Kyle's success? Because while Kyle hasn't reached the pinnacle he *has* in 3/4 recent seasons climbed higher than 87% of the other head coaches. Those odds indicate there's a bigger chance to get worse than get better with someone else in that role.

Harbaugh had more in less time and still got axed.

Shanahans had 6 years l. I'd give him one or two more before I really start thinking about it. 7-10 years is enough time to either win a SB or move on.

That's more than enough time to rebuild the team 2-3 times from scratch.

We're basically turning into the cowboys, /Vikings where your consistently good enough to choke in the playoffs.

I guarantee today harbaugh could produce as good or better with the current roster and purdy. His big mistake was hitching his wagon to kapernick who played so bad he got benched for gabbert.

The same mistake Kyle may have made with lance but got bailed out of.

Moving on from Kyle if he can't pull out a SB in the next season or two is the same thing as move on from garapollo. It's better to take the unknown possibility of winning a SB than sticking with a known choker.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by captveg:
10 wins and playoffs *is* a successful season. It's not *as* successful as a NFC CG appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB victory. But there are degrees to this, and one way to be *less and less* successful and never even make the playoffs is to fire a coach who has really good success because they haven't had the *highest* success yet. Especially when there's zero idea of who that replacement individual is. Will this mythical person have the respect of the locker room, the scouts, the GM, the ownership? Will they even be able to sniff Kyle's success? Because while Kyle hasn't reached the pinnacle he *has* in 3/4 recent seasons climbed higher than 87% of the other head coaches. Those odds indicate there's a bigger chance to get worse than get better with someone else in that role.

Harbaugh had more in less time and still got axed.

Shanahans had 6 years l. I'd give him one or two more before I really start thinking about it. 7-10 years is enough time to either win a SB or move on.

That's more than enough time to rebuild the team 2-3 times from scratch.

We're basically turning into the cowboys, /Vikings where your consistently good enough to choke in the playoffs.

I guarantee today harbaugh could produce as good or better with the current roster and purdy. His big mistake was hitching his wagon to kapernick who played so bad he got benched for gabbert.

The same mistake Kyle may have made with lance but got bailed out of.

Moving on from Kyle if he can't pull out a SB in the next season or two is the same thing as move on from garapollo. It's better to take the unknown possibility of winning a SB than sticking with a known choker.

harbaugh couldn't and still can't do s**t lol

this take is trash

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by captveg:
10 wins and playoffs *is* a successful season. It's not *as* successful as a NFC CG appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB appearance, which is not *as* successful as a SB victory. But there are degrees to this, and one way to be *less and less* successful and never even make the playoffs is to fire a coach who has really good success because they haven't had the *highest* success yet. Especially when there's zero idea of who that replacement individual is. Will this mythical person have the respect of the locker room, the scouts, the GM, the ownership? Will they even be able to sniff Kyle's success? Because while Kyle hasn't reached the pinnacle he *has* in 3/4 recent seasons climbed higher than 87% of the other head coaches. Those odds indicate there's a bigger chance to get worse than get better with someone else in that role.

Great post.

Agree 💯%

Originally posted by Young2Owens:

Originally posted by JoeisGod:
In hockey there's something called "shots on goal." The more shots you get on goal the higher the likelihood you will score. It's the same thing with NFL playoffs, especially conference championships. A team increases it's likelihood of getting to the Superbowl, and winning it, with more conference championship appearances.

This needs to be said more here. Some of these people here think that great coaches are like a hooper that drains threes from full court every shot, if not then they suck snd should be canned. Nah fool, you gotta get closer to the basket to increase your scoring chances.

Guess you guys were big Harbaugh fans then? Always makes me laugh that the Harbs haters who said he couldn't win the big one are now saying to take it easy on Kyle, he is getting close and that is good enough.