49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by qnnhan7:
The Shanahan and Kubiak circle--- Kyle, Klint, Kline, and Klay... MmmK

Don't forget Brian Griese.

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It's not a lot of people, just you two

You and a few others take the prize bub

even your comebacks are lame...

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
It's not a lot of people, just you two

You and a few others take the prize bub

even your comebacks are lame...

If you read it in a Wolverine voice it's pretty cool.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Your point was that the deeper you get into the playoffs, the more disciplined the defenses are and therefor the less vulnerable they are to play fakes and misdirection. The eagles were not disciplined in the area of play fakes and misdirection and it showed in the SB. We had the number 1 defense going into the playoffs with one of the best MLB's in the league and Philly's zone read and RPO's made him and our top rush defense look average in the redzone giving up 4 TD's on the ground. So again, like Bay2Bay said, it is oppenent dependent. That stuff works against a defense like the eagles but doesn't against a defense like the cowboys.

It certainly didn't work against the Eagles as Purdy got hurt. Now Reid does the same stuff that Kyle does (in a sense) but when Ried did it, his QB wasn't injured the way Purdy was injured. That may be a function the kind of QB Reid has, the kind of OLinemen he has, or scheme.

All I'm saying is that Shanahan has to reevaluate this schemes/personnel/coaching to tune it better for the playoffs. FACT: he's been ousted twice in the NFCCG - it would be less than stupid to *not* reevaluate everything in order to improve the NFCCG game performance for another 2023 run.

Finally good defenses, like Dallas and/or Our defense, as you said - don't fall for all the gimmicky eye candy stuff, so why bother. Just go smash mouth and then once they have adjust that way, hit them with the gimmicky stuff when they aren't expecting it. I just don't think Kyle did enough smash mouth vs Eagles vs how Reid handled the Eagles. Again, just my point of view.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by dmax:

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
Sadly you're totally right.

But you're not gonna get much agreement on this board. Hella dudes here in denial in order to cope with our current team blowing their 3rd chance in 6 years at a trophy.

its ok to be critical of your team making catastrophic team history changing mistakes. Doesn't make you any less of a fan guys.

Lot of people are in denial or just plain stupid

It's not a lot of people, just you two

This is all I see in their posts

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

I'm not gonna pretend that 'm thl/Jonny when it comes to Xs and Os, but holy s**t, so many people here post their opinions like it's fact and are completely clueless...At least know a bit of X's and O's before you make such bs statements.

Especially as 49er fans, it's like they completely forgot about Walsh and he also brought in a "fancy" offense for that time.

Plus Kyle's teams have always been very physical, his WRs block like FBs ffs. Ya absolutely a dumb post.

Walsh ran the sweep in 1981 vs the Cowboys prior to calling the sprint right option, and the *Catch 1*. He was very patient against that top flight cowboy Defense. Kyle, in my opinion, was too aggressive and impatient against the Eagles and it hurt the team. Just my opinion. It could be a dumb opinion, so what, I think its permitted so long as I don't break the rules.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

what you are saying is.. to not even try to play football .. got it

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

what you are saying to not even try to play football .. got it

And your point is?

So whatever Kyle does if it doesn't work it's the wrong choice. Trying to smash mouth against the Rams in 2021? He's too conservative and cowardly. Trying to throw against Eagles in 2022? Too aggressive and arrogant.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?