49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

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Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

It wasn't actually an opinion the motion had nothing to do with blocking Reddick. It sucks we lost due to an injury it feels like something was stolen. I just have seen QBs have their arm hit a million times and never have seen this injury. I don't blame the coach for calling the play. That's some childish ass s**t that's a fact

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So whatever Kyle does if it doesn't work it's the wrong choice. Trying to smash out against the Rams in 2021? He's too conservative and cowardly. Trying to throw against Eagles in 2022? Too aggressive and arrogant.

No not really, he's just not gotten past a certain point in the playoffs, and I think it goes to his aggressiveness and impatience. He can do that against 95% of the NFL because he can out-scheme the 95% of the NFL, but not against the elite teams. In essence, he has to be more patient or change *something* because he's hit that wall time and time again in the playoffs.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?

No he would pass more. Atlanta in 2019 lead the entire league is passing %.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

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You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

what you are saying to not even try to play football .. got it

And your point is?

i'm summarizing your entire take.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

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Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?

No he would pass more. Atlanta in 2019 lead the entire league is passing %.

I dream for the day the 9ers become a pass first team.

Someday, someday

Originally posted by Sickaa:
I dream for the day the 9ers become a pass first team.

Someday, someday

yessir

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

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You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?

No he would pass more. Atlanta in 2019 lead the entire league is passing %.

I dream for the day the 9ers become a pass first team.

Someday, someday

Meh a balanced attack has always been the best way to attack and we are a 51 run to 49 pass team.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

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My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

It wasn't actually an opinion the motion had nothing to do with blocking Reddick. It sucks we lost due to an injury it feels like something was stolen. I just have seen QBs have their arm hit a million times and never have seen this injury. I don't blame the coach for calling the play. That's some childish ass s**t that's a fact

Riddick was in pass rush mode. A run would have at least netted some positive yardage and made him think about that, the next time that down and distance occurs. Ried averaged something like 6+ yards per carry going against that Eagle defense. I just don't get why Kyle would call a pass so soon in the game. Unless its impatience or aggressive overconfidence.

Note, I am not saying Kyle is an idiot. On the contrary he's a top flight coach. I'm very grateful he's our coach. I just think that's one of his blind spots.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

+ Show all quotes what you are saying to not even try to play football .. got it

And your point is?

i'm summarizing your entire take.

It wasn't a very good summary.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?

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No he would pass more. Atlanta in 2019 lead the entire league is passing %.

I dream for the day the 9ers become a pass first team.

Someday, someday

Meh a balanced attack has always been the best way to attack and we are a 51 run to 49 pass team.

Obviously you want teams to fear both the run and the pass, but I think you attack what you see as a weakness on the field that day. Like if we know a team has a bad run defense obviously you're focused on that. If a bad pass d etc.

That is also where second half adjustments come in and the Chiefs are probably the best at it on both sides of the ball and we are close at least with offense.

We used to say Kyle needs to be more aggressive, but after you watch the tape you see a lot of times it was Jimmy taking the check down even if Aiyuk was open deep, or the route couldn't develop because of pressure etc.

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by glorydayz:
What would Kyle Shanahan do with a QB like Mahomes?

Would Mahomes be as good if he were playing in Kyle's system instead of Reid's system?

Also, what would Jimmy G, Lance, or Purdy look like in Reid's system?

Kyle likes the run game. I think he'd run more than Reid would, even with Mahomes. Ironically, in the Eagles game he got a bit away from the run game and it cost him. Similarly to his past championship endeavors where he seems to get impatient and get away from the run game. I think Rieds background as an OLine coach gives him a bit of advantage in coaching pass protections and developing OLinemen. He has that advantage over most of the coaches except Bellichick who is also another OLine-centric coach.

You think Kyle would continue to run the same run first system even with a prolific passing QB like Mahomes on the roster?

I think so. He's changed his thinking since Atlanta, and plays complementary football. Ie keep away/take away football.

I'm hoping, with Purdy (and hopefully with the development of Lance) that mix changes slightly. I think he's a talented run and pass game designer, but with a leaning towards the run game because of the QBs he's had in the past.

Originally posted by Giedi:
No not really, he's just not gotten past a certain point in the playoffs,

He literally has got past that point before (the NFC CG).

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

Dear heavenly Father, please don't let this man be one of the guys that have complained in the past about Shanahan being too conservative during big games. If so, Lord, please spark his interest in another sport besides football like curling or badminton because i just dont know if i can take it.

- Mike D

The team had been using pass to set up the run for weeks in the first half. It had been working great. That's just playing football. Did Montana get injured in the playoffs against the Giants (twice!) because Walsh and later Seifert were too aggressive? No. It's just football.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by Bay2Bay9erAllday:

Originally posted by krizay:
To me it appears when teams are stopping the run. They don't go for all that motion crap. They don't adjust their defense at all. Those are the times I wish he would just like up and play.

Juice essentially said same thing I think it was during the Dallas play off game. When he and the RBs basically asked him to quit the motions and run right at them.

So.....

Yeah it should depend on opponent.

Analytics showed that Dallas was one of the best, if not the best against presnap motions. They were too disciplined for that to be effective. Juice pointed that out to Kyle and they started rolling.

This is very true as you get deeper in the playoffs. The defenses get more disciplined and more talented. Play fakes and the assorted misdirection plays don't work as well the deeper you go in the playoffs.

At that point your teams execution is key as well as the sheer talent your team becomes important. One possible adjustment would be to not adjust or do a lot of motions. Basically - change up and just play smash mouth for a quarter or two, then change up again later - back to motions and fakes.

In other words, as much as Kyle likes to be balanced and unpredictable in the playoffs, maybe the secret is to just line up and go toe to toe - establish that run dominance, and then go from there.

That is not true. It was reported that the Eagles defense were bad against pre snap motion and it ended up making a huge impact in the SB. Bay2Bay is correct in that it is opponent dependent.

Once you get to the final four, these are talented teams. They (example Eagles) May be bad at pre-snap motions, but they won 14 games for a reason. My point is simply that sometimes Kyle just has to (as Krizay said) just line up and play smash mouth football, and forget the fancy shmancy motion eye-candy stuff once he gets to a certain level. That's where the big powerful OLines and DLines come into play. Most defensive Teams are too good to get fooled often once you are deep in the playoffs.

Our motions give us information and helps with blocking angles. It's not f**king fancy it's strategy.

How was the blocking angle on that Purdy play action pass?

What? The short motion with Deebo on that play. You understand this is a dumb post right?

Fact: Purdy got injured. Is it your *opinion* that Purdy didn't get injured on that play?

My opinion is the motion had nothing to do with a block not being made. But I just read you saying we should have ran more smash mouth football against a team stacking the box to stop the run. I'm not gonna waste my time

You can't respond with anything other than opinion, because the facts are in plain sight. Purdy got injured on that play. Now. In my opinion, Kyle got too aggressive. Maybe if he ran more, even against a stacked defense, at least the QB can live for another play, instead of being taken out for good on the friggen sixth play of the friggen game for the REST OF THE GAME.

what you are saying to not even try to play football .. got it

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And your point is?

i'm summarizing your entire take.

It wasn't a very good summary.

it is actually. The game consists of passing and running.. and you're saying not to pass