49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
so you would run it on 3rd and 14 with a 8/9 man box ?

Of course not. Did you want Jimmy to pivot to the run?

You are the one saying we should have ran it .. but obviously now you don't really mean it

He was talking about the entire game overall after coming off a 220 yard 4 TD performance and 2 full weeks to game plan. He had 12 carries. 12. And even those were 4.8 ypc...hence Honeybadgers comments after the game.

Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.

Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?

(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.

Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.

One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.

No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.

Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?

(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)

Only if the elite qb didn't get injured.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.

Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.

One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.

No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.

Even then he was making miraculous throws. It was his teammates who dropped a handful of them. But overall, you're right. The best way to beat any qb is to obliterate their o line.

It's why I'm so damn excited for the gravedigger signing!

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
The way the rule favor the offense now, it's really hard for a defense to prevent quick drives down the field. They change their coverages so they can't get beat over the top but that leaves everything open in the middle. Receivers are able to pick up a lot YAC. Throw in the fear of a big PI call and you have the recipe for a comeback.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.

Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.

One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.

No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.

Mahomes will always have an Offensive Line, simply because his head coach is one hell of an offensive line coach.

Haha. True. Now he's lost both T's so I'll say it again like I did before he lost his first Superbowl...Mahomes isn't winning the Superbowl this year. He goes as that OL goes. No doubt. That's not saying he doesn't help a lot too. But he clearly needs a top tier unit like any other QB to win it.

Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.

Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?

(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.

Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?

(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)

It's not been through lack of trying though, we've just had a few misses and some bad injury luck.

Elite QB's are tough to come by, IMO there isn't a single one in the NFC.

We've got an elite D, and elite weapons. Hopefully that's enough, but you know in the Superbowl you'll be facing an Elite QB, it's tough to overcome them.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.

Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.

One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.

No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.

Mahomes will always have an Offensive Line, simply because his head coach is one hell of an offensive line coach.

Haha. True. Now he's lost both T's so I'll say it again like I did before he lost his first Superbowl...Mahomes isn't winning the Superbowl this year. He goes as that OL goes. No doubt. That's not saying he doesn't help a lot too. But he clearly needs a top tier unit like any other QB to win it.

Yup, Kyle has about a year or so before Fat Andy reconstructs that Chief's OLine for another super bowl run. My hope is that Purdy or Lance can get it done before Mahome's OLine is back in full force.

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, Kyle has about a year or so before Fat Andy reconstructs that Chief's OLine for another super bowl run. My hope is that Purdy or Lance can get it done before Mahome's OLine is back in full force.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, Kyle has about a year or so before Fat Andy reconstructs that Chief's OLine for another super bowl run. My hope is that Purdy or Lance can get it done before Mahome's OLine is back in full force.

As long as the o line isn't terrible they'll have SB runs aplenty because of the guy behind center.

Originally posted by NCommand:
Nah. Playoff runs, sure, even deep runs. He's already proven that's not the case. Hence why Andy immediately went and tried to correct it (and did). Now he's lost both T's. So he's back to square one. This year will be further proof of that.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.

Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.

One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.

No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.

Even then he was making miraculous throws. It was his teammates who dropped a handful of them. But overall, you're right. The best way to beat any qb is to obliterate their o line.

It's why I'm so damn excited for the gravedigger signing!

Yes sir. It's his only kryptonite. He's truly a generational QB though. The thing I like most is that he's a pretty pure pocket passer. And because of that, it just makes all the off schedule stuff so dangerous and effective.