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Originally posted by NCommand:
Haha. True. Now he's lost both T's so I'll say it again like I did before he lost his first Superbowl...Mahomes isn't winning the Superbowl this year. He goes as that OL goes. No doubt. That's not saying he doesn't help a lot too. But he clearly needs a top tier unit like any other QB to win it.
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.
Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.
One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.
No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.
Even then he was making miraculous throws. It was his teammates who dropped a handful of them. But overall, you're right. The best way to beat any qb is to obliterate their o line.
It's why I'm so damn excited for the gravedigger signing!
Yes sir. It's his only kryptonite. He's truly a generational QB though. The thing I like most is that he's a pretty pure pocket passer. And because of that, it just makes all the off schedule stuff so dangerous and effective.
I hope he is a generational player! He already is for his draft slot at least. Hahah
Personally, I love that he is a pocket passer. I'm so tired of everyone thinking these running around QBs are the answer. Until one is consistent and accurate from the pocket without having to run, I don't want to see it. It's a waste of time and it just shortens their careers.
i want a guy who is here for 12-15 years and we compete with them every single year for the chip. Elevates everyone.
Originally posted by English:
Only if the elite qb didn't get injured.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.
Dan Quinn (28-3) and Robert Saleh (21 points in 5 minutes with only 7 minutes left) both had epic collapses. Of course Philly's vaunted D gave up a 10 point lead too to Mahomes and Reid.
One thing I'm realizing with the Chiefs is that if you don't have an offense - you will lose a track meet game with this team. Even if you have a great defense.
No question about it. Unless he doesn't have a top OL of course. Then you can turn him into a backyard hero ball QB FTL.
Even then he was making miraculous throws. It was his teammates who dropped a handful of them. But overall, you're right. The best way to beat any qb is to obliterate their o line.
It's why I'm so damn excited for the gravedigger signing!
Yes sir. It's his only kryptonite. He's truly a generational QB though. The thing I like most is that he's a pretty pure pocket passer. And because of that, it just makes all the off schedule stuff so dangerous and effective.
I hope he is a generational player! He already is for his draft slot at least. Hahah
Personally, I love that he is a pocket passer. I'm so tired of everyone thinking these running around QBs are the answer. Until one is consistent and accurate from the pocket without having to run, I don't want to see it. It's a waste of time and it just shortens their careers.
i want a guy who is here for 12-15 years and we compete with them every single year for the chip. Elevates everyone.
Steve Young 2.0 would be nice! Or Joe Montana with top tier pass protection.
Originally posted by NCommand:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Yup, Kyle has about a year or so before Fat Andy reconstructs that Chief's OLine for another super bowl run. My hope is that Purdy or Lance can get it done before Mahome's OLine is back in full force.
As long as the o line isn't terrible they'll have SB runs aplenty because of the guy behind center.
Nah. Playoff runs, sure, even deep runs. He's already proven that's not the case. Hence why Andy immediately went and tried to correct it (and did). Now he's lost both T's. So he's back to square one. This year will be further proof of that.
Originally posted by English:
Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.
Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?
(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)
Only if the elite qb didn't get injured.
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.
Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?
(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)
It's not been through lack of trying though, we've just had a few misses and some bad injury luck.
Elite QB's are tough to come by, IMO there isn't a single one in the NFC.
We've got an elite D, and elite weapons. Hopefully that's enough, but you know in the Superbowl you'll be facing an Elite QB, it's tough to overcome them.
A. Rogers?
Originally posted by tankle104:
"As a rookie, Darnold played for Mike Shanahan protégé Jeremy Bates and had his best year in a scheme built to make the QB play fast."
interesting - I didn't know that about darnold
Originally posted by random49er:
Originally posted by tankle104:
"As a rookie, Darnold played for Mike Shanahan protégé Jeremy Bates and had his best year in a scheme built to make the QB play fast."
interesting - I didn't know that about darnold
You lost me with this one. In the correct thread?
Originally posted by random49er:i think he's trying to say Darnold knows somewhat of Shannys offense
Originally posted by tankle104:
"As a rookie, Darnold played for Mike Shanahan protégé Jeremy Bates and had his best year in a scheme built to make the QB play fast."
interesting - I didn't know that about darnold
You lost me with this one. In the correct thread?
Originally posted by Crown:
Originally posted by glorydayz:
Originally posted by 49erBigMac:
Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.
Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?
(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)
It's not been through lack of trying though, we've just had a few misses and some bad injury luck.
Elite QB's are tough to come by, IMO there isn't a single one in the NFC.
We've got an elite D, and elite weapons. Hopefully that's enough, but you know in the Superbowl you'll be facing an Elite QB, it's tough to overcome them.
A. Rogers?
I mean yard to bigmacs point, I think there's been a few top-tier quarterbacks that we potentially could've got on roster, unfortunately, it would mean taking money from the Defense to get it done.
Originally posted by JoseCortez:
It has nothing to do with scripted or unscripted plays. It's actually worse that Shanahan scripted nasty tevin Coleman as the starting back in the frigging superbowl.
Why would Shanahan not ride the hot hand with mostert? He ran all over the packers and he was damn successful against the chiefs.
It's a damn shame.
We need to stop with the shanahan excuses. He chokes in big moments. There is no way to justify his gameplan in the superbowl.
Originally posted by ninerjok:
Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the same BS Shanny was criticized for with the infamous 28–3 collapse. Not running the ball enough against NE to try and eat clock and shorten the game or whatever. Oh and by the way still trying to blame that loss on him is BS to the umpteenth degree, Dan Quinn deserves most of it since he was head coach. So sick of this revisionist history garbage.
Originally posted by English:
Only if the elite qb didn't get injured.
