49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Why do you guys bring back this traumatic moment in my life??

I blame Hoov.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by glorydayz:

Originally posted by 49erBigMac:

Originally posted by Crown:
We would have 2 or 3 more rings with Elite QB play.
Not sure if the investment in defense bridges the gap...thus far no.

Curious if you all think KS is trying to win with a duct tape and mirrors at QB and if its ever going to work?

(I believe in the development of Trey and Brock - but will they be ready to be a top QB when the time comes?)

It's not been through lack of trying though, we've just had a few misses and some bad injury luck.

Elite QB's are tough to come by, IMO there isn't a single one in the NFC.

We've got an elite D, and elite weapons. Hopefully that's enough, but you know in the Superbowl you'll be facing an Elite QB, it's tough to overcome them.

A. Rogers?

I mean yard to bigmacs point, I think there's been a few top-tier quarterbacks that we potentially could've got on roster, unfortunately, it would mean taking money from the Defense to get it done.

Brady is the big one, but he was coming off a bad year with the Pats, many thought he was done and Jimmy had just taken us within 8 mins of #6.

Mahomes was just a miss by Kyle, who listened to the draft buzz over Lynch. I honestly can't see another top tier QB we could have got.

Oh and glory, I consider Rodgers a Jet, and honestly am not sure he's elite anymore, elite Rodgers wins that division last year.

Got it, thats why I put a question mark on it.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Right, it's Cover3 so Ward's priority is taking away the Post (8) - very basic assignment for the middle safety in Cover3. The corner route is the CB's responsibility. EMann decided to free lance and cover a Dig that was already covered by Warner gaining good depth. It kinda annoyed me that so many folks were sad to see Emann leave never realizing that his blunder in the SB was a huge factor in KC's comeback.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


Damn JT goes hard at "Kyle"

Huh. So scheme and design choices and players not knowing what to do within them leads to other players at risk for injury? Who knew?

JTO's stealing your stuff from the Injury Thread, NC, are you going to do nothing about it?

From Lombardi to JTO to Cohn. Hi Grant. LOL

I clicked the link. Ouch, my eyes and ears!

My IQ -->

All I can say is that in 1981, Bill Walsh ran the ball to set up the *Catch I* in the last minutes of that game. I think Kyle has a bent towards the passing game when he panics. Just like football players revert to what they are comfortable with in an emergency situation, I think Kyle tends to panic in certain situations and start throwing. One reason why is that he's a WR kind of guy, he is comfortable with the pass as originally he played WR in college.

I think Kyle has to get his inner barbarian going. I think it was the Seattle playoff game this year where - if I remember correctly - one of the Seattle players tried to injure Deebo by twisting his leg. The whole team including Kyle was out on the field. Then the next thing was Kyle calling about 9 straight run plays for a TD. I think instead of Kyle getting jitters, he should start getting pissed off and just run over teams like in the Seattle playoff game and in the 2019 NFCCG. He has a wonderful rushing attack to do it too.

Haha. That was just a joke. Cohn is a frequent visitor here too.

Yeah, Kyle, like every coach, has his tendencies. Hopefully in the future, it won't matter if he should have run when he chose to pass or pass when he should have run. Having a full time built in security blanket like CMC has made a massive difference for his QB's. No doubt. But there are some scheme/design/coaching points that could make life a bit easier on his QB and his health. No doubt.

Having a great QB helps to. And I think there's a better than not chance that is exactly what we have with Purdy.

Purdy gets hurt too.

Pivoting to "a great QB" doesn't really help the overall injury problem. This organization has had many great QB's who get hurt too.

Steve Young and Joe Montana isn't "many." We've had no other great QBs unless you go back to before color tv was widespread.

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 5_Golden_Rings:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:


Damn JT goes hard at "Kyle"

Huh. So scheme and design choices and players not knowing what to do within them leads to other players at risk for injury? Who knew?

JTO's stealing your stuff from the Injury Thread, NC, are you going to do nothing about it?

From Lombardi to JTO to Cohn. Hi Grant. LOL

I clicked the link. Ouch, my eyes and ears!

My IQ -->

All I can say is that in 1981, Bill Walsh ran the ball to set up the *Catch I* in the last minutes of that game. I think Kyle has a bent towards the passing game when he panics. Just like football players revert to what they are comfortable with in an emergency situation, I think Kyle tends to panic in certain situations and start throwing. One reason why is that he's a WR kind of guy, he is comfortable with the pass as originally he played WR in college.

I think Kyle has to get his inner barbarian going. I think it was the Seattle playoff game this year where - if I remember correctly - one of the Seattle players tried to injure Deebo by twisting his leg. The whole team including Kyle was out on the field. Then the next thing was Kyle calling about 9 straight run plays for a TD. I think instead of Kyle getting jitters, he should start getting pissed off and just run over teams like in the Seattle playoff game and in the 2019 NFCCG. He has a wonderful rushing attack to do it too.

Haha. That was just a joke. Cohn is a frequent visitor here too.

Yeah, Kyle, like every coach, has his tendencies. Hopefully in the future, it won't matter if he should have run when he chose to pass or pass when he should have run. Having a full time built in security blanket like CMC has made a massive difference for his QB's. No doubt. But there are some scheme/design/coaching points that could make life a bit easier on his QB and his health. No doubt.

Having a great QB helps to. And I think there's a better than not chance that is exactly what we have with Purdy.

Purdy gets hurt too.

Pivoting to "a great QB" doesn't really help the overall injury problem. This organization has had many great QB's who get hurt too.

Steve Young and Joe Montana isn't "many." We've had no other great QBs unless you go back to before color tv was widespread.

My point is it's pretty moot. "Great QB" doesn't mean they'll avoid injury here.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Right, it's Cover3 so Ward's priority is taking away the Post (8) - very basic assignment for the middle safety in Cover3. The corner route is the CB's responsibility. EMann decided to free lance and cover a Dig that was already covered by Warner gaining good depth. It kinda annoyed me that so many folks were sad to see Emann leave never realizing that his blunder in the SB was a huge factor in KC's comeback.

You should hit up Crocker on Twitter on that one. He's talking about the top of the route and his technique.

But I agree about Eman. He, himself, like Ward, talked about his part in that fail but it started with him. No doubt.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

How is he not respecting him? He's already the deepest defender by design. He bit outside on Hill's juke and lost him inside to that juke. That's the big no-no to bite on that as the last defender as Crocker noted.

Edit. LOL.

When does a safety not get spun around by a speed guy with a 2 way go? You want your safety to take away the inside.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Right, it's Cover3 so Ward's priority is taking away the Post (8) - very basic assignment for the middle safety in Cover3. The corner route is the CB's responsibility. EMann decided to free lance and cover a Dig that was already covered by Warner gaining good depth. It kinda annoyed me that so many folks were sad to see Emann leave never realizing that his blunder in the SB was a huge factor in KC's comeback.

You should hit up Crocker on Twitter on that one. He's talking about the top of the route and his technique.

But I agree about Eman. He, himself, like Ward, talked about his part in that fail but it started with him. No doubt.

I think it's a context thing. Ward used a speed turn technique when Hill broke for the flag to maintain his speed cause Hills kinda fast. Unfortunately for us a speed turn makes you blind to the ball therefore Ward wouldn't see that Mahomes who's normally got a cannon under threw the ball really badly due to Bosa causing the route to pretty much change. What Crocker is expecting Ward to erase would require Ward to be a f**king prophet at predicting a bunch of circumstances. Crocker also said CJ Henderson is going be a great CB in the league. It's possible for him to be wrong.

Originally posted by NCommand:
How is he not respecting him? He's already the deepest defender by design. He bit outside on Hill's juke and lost him inside to that juke. That's the big no-no to bite on that as the last defender as Crocker noted.

Edit. LOL.

like I said you're out of your element

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How is he not respecting him? He's already the deepest defender by design. He bit outside on Hill's juke and lost him inside to that juke. That's the big no-no to bite on that as the last defender as Crocker noted.

Edit. LOL.

like I said you're out of your element

He wasn't supposed to put himself in position to have to do that as the last defender. And you saw why.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:
How is he not respecting him? He's already the deepest defender by design. He bit outside on Hill's juke and lost him inside to that juke. That's the big no-no to bite on that as the last defender as Crocker noted.

Edit. LOL.

like I said you're out of your element

He wasn't supposed to put himself in position to have to do that as the last defender. And you saw why.

What do you mean? What should he have done? Explain your stance in detail.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Right, it's Cover3 so Ward's priority is taking away the Post (8) - very basic assignment for the middle safety in Cover3. The corner route is the CB's responsibility. EMann decided to free lance and cover a Dig that was already covered by Warner gaining good depth. It kinda annoyed me that so many folks were sad to see Emann leave never realizing that his blunder in the SB was a huge factor in KC's comeback.

You should hit up Crocker on Twitter on that one. He's talking about the top of the route and his technique.

But I agree about Eman. He, himself, like Ward, talked about his part in that fail but it started with him. No doubt.

I think it's a context thing. Ward used a speed turn technique when Hill broke for the flag to maintain his speed cause Hills kinda fast. Unfortunately for us a speed turn makes you blind to the ball therefore Ward wouldn't see that Mahomes who's normally got a cannon under threw the ball really badly due to Bosa causing the route to pretty much change. What Crocker is expecting Ward to erase would require Ward to be a f**king prophet at predicting a bunch of circumstances. Crocker also said CJ Henderson is going be a great CB in the league. It's possible for him to be wrong.

It's not the speed turn. It's that he broke left biting on the move FORCING himself to speed turn to try and regain position. He got himself out of position and that's the no-no Crock talked about. It's esp. a no-no from the last defender.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
E man blew the coverage. To argue anything else is ridiculous. If Ward doesn't close himself off Hill runs past him up the middle. He made him go to where his other defender should've been.

No different than Hills td this year. Wasn't on Ward that Huff took the cheese.

Close him off? LMAO. You mean getting spun like a top completely taking himself out of the play?

Are you suggesting our safety shouldn't respect one of the fastest people on earth running an 8 and bank on it being a 7. You don't coach secondary do you?

edit and it's called a speed turn and it's coached at most levels.

Right, it's Cover3 so Ward's priority is taking away the Post (8) - very basic assignment for the middle safety in Cover3. The corner route is the CB's responsibility. EMann decided to free lance and cover a Dig that was already covered by Warner gaining good depth. It kinda annoyed me that so many folks were sad to see Emann leave never realizing that his blunder in the SB was a huge factor in KC's comeback.

You should hit up Crocker on Twitter on that one. He's talking about the top of the route and his technique.

But I agree about Eman. He, himself, like Ward, talked about his part in that fail but it started with him. No doubt.

I think it's a context thing. Ward used a speed turn technique when Hill broke for the flag to maintain his speed cause Hills kinda fast. Unfortunately for us a speed turn makes you blind to the ball therefore Ward wouldn't see that Mahomes who's normally got a cannon under threw the ball really badly due to Bosa causing the route to pretty much change. What Crocker is expecting Ward to erase would require Ward to be a f**king prophet at predicting a bunch of circumstances. Crocker also said CJ Henderson is going be a great CB in the league. It's possible for him to be wrong.

It's not the speed turn. It's that he broke left biting on the move FORCING himself to speed turn to try and regain position. He got himself out of position and that's the no-no Crock talked about. It's esp. a no-no from the last defender.

He was turning and burning to keep up on the f**king post holy s**t that's his f**king job you don't know what the f**k you're talking about. Wards job is take away deep middle not outside 1/3 Jesus man just take the L