49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Ex-coach Mangini stated he felt Shanahan should develop a package for Trey Lance at QB, if Trey isn't the starter. The coach doesn't seem to know that this was already tried when Jimmy was the starter. That package was not a success. Personally, I think a better idea is to bring Trey in on a few plays at non-QB positions. The defense would focus on him. Like Deebo and CMC, Trey could run, catch, or pass. Of course, the downside is the unlikely scenario of both the QB and Trey getting hurt on the same play. But I'd like to see the defense in panic.

To me, it would make sense to consider using Trey packages if we're struggling to score touchdowns in the redzone and realistically probably within the 5-10 yard line. I'd want to see the struggle first though, because with Purdy's processing and ability to buy time I'd think we'll be effective getting TDs rather than FGs going forward.

I don't think Trey brings enough physically over Brock to warrant these special packages. Brock is way quicker than Alex was with kap or even Jimmy with Trey.

It just doesn't warrant any roll out bootlegs or pitches to trey when he's not vastly quicker than Brock or better at breaking tackles.

Hell from what I have seen Brock is at least as quick during the first two steps and is probably harder to bring down because he's built lower a la Russel Wilson.

Maybe if we had Terrell pryor or cam Newton the difference would be enough to warrant entertaining. Those dudes were actual freaks at their position though. Trey is just the prototypical big fast dude playing QB. He ain't no once in a generation physical specimen like those guys. Brocks already above average quick so I don't see the value.

Hell you already have cmc and juice who brings more to the table than trey and can throw the occasional pass as well. Trey brings nothing over those guys.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Ex-coach Mangini stated he felt Shanahan should develop a package for Trey Lance at QB, if Trey isn't the starter. The coach doesn't seem to know that this was already tried when Jimmy was the starter. That package was not a success. Personally, I think a better idea is to bring Trey in on a few plays at non-QB positions. The defense would focus on him. Like Deebo and CMC, Trey could run, catch, or pass. Of course, the downside is the unlikely scenario of both the QB and Trey getting hurt on the same play. But I'd like to see the defense in panic.

To me, it would make sense to consider using Trey packages if we're struggling to score touchdowns in the redzone and realistically probably within the 5-10 yard line. I'd want to see the struggle first though, because with Purdy's processing and ability to buy time I'd think we'll be effective getting TDs rather than FGs going forward.

I don't think Trey brings enough physically over Brock to warrant these special packages. Brock is way quicker than Alex was with kap or even Jimmy with Trey.

It just doesn't warrant any roll out bootlegs or pitches to trey when he's not vastly quicker than Brock or better at breaking tackles.

Hell from what I have seen Brock is at least as quick during the first two steps and is probably harder to bring down because he's built lower a la Russel Wilson.

Maybe if we had Terrell pryor or cam Newton the difference would be enough to warrant entertaining. Those dudes were actual freaks at their position though. Trey is just the prototypical big fast dude playing QB. He ain't no once in a generation physical specimen like those guys. Brocks already above average quick so I don't see the value.

Hell you already have cmc and juice who brings more to the table than trey and can throw the occasional pass as well. Trey brings nothing over those guys.

Maybe if we find a package in the preseason or something that Trey excels at… but overall I agree. You're not going to remove Purdy in the redzone where he has proven to be effective because of his mobility and touch passes.

The only way I see Trey getting playing time is if he shows massive improvement + gets playing time due to injury.

Ive always seen this as a win-win. Either Purdy stays healthy all season or Trey gets to prove himself again. I'm fine with either scenario.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Maybe if we find a package in the preseason or something that Trey excels at… but overall I agree. You're not going to remove Purdy in the redzone where he has proven to be effective because of his mobility and touch passes.

The only way I see Trey getting playing time is if he shows massive improvement + gets playing time due to injury.

Ive always seen this as a win-win. Either Purdy stays healthy all season or Trey gets to prove himself again. I'm fine with either scenario.

What about the Darnold starts scenario?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Maybe if we find a package in the preseason or something that Trey excels at… but overall I agree. You're not going to remove Purdy in the redzone where he has proven to be effective because of his mobility and touch passes.

The only way I see Trey getting playing time is if he shows massive improvement + gets playing time due to injury.

Ive always seen this as a win-win. Either Purdy stays healthy all season or Trey gets to prove himself again. I'm fine with either scenario.

What about the Darnold starts scenario?

Darnold would start in the Darnold starts scenario.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Maybe if we find a package in the preseason or something that Trey excels at… but overall I agree. You're not going to remove Purdy in the redzone where he has proven to be effective because of his mobility and touch passes.

The only way I see Trey getting playing time is if he shows massive improvement + gets playing time due to injury.

Ive always seen this as a win-win. Either Purdy stays healthy all season or Trey gets to prove himself again. I'm fine with either scenario.

What about the Darnold starts scenario?

Darnold would start in the Darnold starts scenario.

You were presenting it as a either BP or TL. I see three options here. KS I know is really into Darnold, probably really into all 3 guys.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

The QB situation is the bigger issue than coaching, 100%.

The only issue with Kyle really, is that he might be putting less emphasis on a real QB than other coaches.

But given the same QB, I'd Kyle over the other 31 coaches.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

It's not a failure it's steps to success, listen to Giannis

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Maybe if we find a package in the preseason or something that Trey excels at… but overall I agree. You're not going to remove Purdy in the redzone where he has proven to be effective because of his mobility and touch passes.

The only way I see Trey getting playing time is if he shows massive improvement + gets playing time due to injury.

Ive always seen this as a win-win. Either Purdy stays healthy all season or Trey gets to prove himself again. I'm fine with either scenario.

What about the Darnold starts scenario?

Darnold would start in the Darnold starts scenario.

You were presenting it as a either BP or TL. I see three options here. KS I know is really into Darnold, probably really into all 3 guys.

I was being sarcastic because I feel like I've explained this already several times. I was wrong that Sam and Trey wouldn't split reps, but I've always believed entirely possible Sam is the better player than Trey at the moment.

Having said that, I believe Trey will win the backup spot because I think he's better than Sam. I'm basing my win-win scenario based off of that assumption.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

It's called entertainment dude. There are 17 games to watch and hope they win enough to make the playoffs, then we get to watch the playoffs and hope they win enough to take the trophy home. If none of that matters to you, then you should only watch the Super Bowl, and only post in here after it.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

It's called entertainment dude. There are 17 games to watch and hope they win enough to make the playoffs, then we get to watch the playoffs and hope they win enough to take the trophy home. If none of that matters to you, then you should only watch the Super Bowl, and only post in here after it.

Only one team wins it all each year. There have been 57 SBs and the Niners have won 5 and lost 2 others. Some teams have never even appeared in a SB. Onlt NE, Pittsburg and Dallas have been as successful.

The head coach can only do so much. He is partly responsible for getting the players and develops the game plans. The players need to perform and the breaks need to go their way to make it all the way.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

It's called entertainment dude. There are 17 games to watch and hope they win enough to make the playoffs, then we get to watch the playoffs and hope they win enough to take the trophy home. If none of that matters to you, then you should only watch the Super Bowl, and only post in here after it.

Only one team wins it all each year. There have been 57 SBs and the Niners have won 5 and lost 2 others. Some teams have never even appeared in a SB. Onlt NE, Pittsburg and Dallas have been as successful.

The head coach can only do so much. He is partly responsible for getting the players and develops the game plans. The players need to perform and the breaks need to go their way to make it all the way.

Yessir, sometimes you have to go thru this process, before you get to the prize.

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
If we don't win it all this year I want the poll options to be changed to "yes", "no" and "schottenheimer".

Well if it was up to you Kyle would have been fired years ago…

And? My point was that Shanahan couldn't win it all. Nothing has changed. Still just a coach who gets his team competitive who chokes in big moments and can't win it all. We have won nothing with Shanahan.

Except 52 regular season games, 6 playoff games, 2 NFC West Championships , 1 NFC Championship. Other than that we've won nothing with him, right?

If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you.

The QB situation is the bigger issue than coaching, 100%.

The only issue with Kyle really, is that he might be putting less emphasis on a real QB than other coaches.

But given the same QB, I'd Kyle over the other 31 coaches.

"If you want to celebrate disappointment every year, more power to you." LOL at this. Bro, there are 31 teams every single year that don't win the final game. Disappointment is something that teams like Detroit, the Jets, and a few others that can claim disappointment, not the Niners. This team is in the hunt nearly every year with a legitimate chance to take the crown. Using your logic every coach on every team that didn't win the Superbowl last year should be fired. Quit with the whining and get on board the 'we're in it to win it' train. Be thankful we have a coach that gives us tthe opportunity to be challenging for the championship instead of some of the coaches we had before KS got here.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Paul_Hofer:
Ex-coach Mangini stated he felt Shanahan should develop a package for Trey Lance at QB, if Trey isn't the starter. The coach doesn't seem to know that this was already tried when Jimmy was the starter. That package was not a success. Personally, I think a better idea is to bring Trey in on a few plays at non-QB positions. The defense would focus on him. Like Deebo and CMC, Trey could run, catch, or pass. Of course, the downside is the unlikely scenario of both the QB and Trey getting hurt on the same play. But I'd like to see the defense in panic.

I was just talking about this in the Trey thread earlier. I'm not a fan of replacing QBs mid drive or whatever cause if the rhythm (even for the other 10 players on the field) but you can def get some trick plays where he catches, runs, flea flicker etc. it would only help, even if it doesn't really work - it gives the defense sometbing to stress about

That's what I'm talking about.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I was being sarcastic because I feel like I've explained this already several times. I was wrong that Sam and Trey wouldn't split reps, but I've always believed entirely possible Sam is the better player than Trey at the moment.

Having said that, I believe Trey will win the backup spot because I think he's better than Sam. I'm basing my win-win scenario based off of that assumption.

Yeah, I think Sam is probably the better player currently and would probably give the team the best chance to win - just because you know what he is good at and not good at, so it's much easier to gameplan and pit him in position to succeed. Lance can be better than him by camps end if his improvements hold true.

with that said, I think trey will be QB2 and I think trey can overtake him in camp, depending on how he looks. Which all reports seem positive.

i just don't see the team making Lance QB3. I think he would have to have a horrible camp for that to happen, which doesn't seem likely.

I just wanted to point out how wrong I was in giving Kyle s**t for wanting Kirk cousins. I based my criticism of Kirk on the few times I watched him play and his record, I watched the QB special and I am a huge fan. We would be lucky to have him. Tough as nails talented as f**k and just a good man. In kyle I now trust. Will try to hold back on my anger fueled by losses this season.