49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
We shall see. But a journeyman undrafted center, a n untested 4th and 5th round pick on the right side of the line, and no depth doesn't instill confidence.

both Brendel and Burford were really good last year I think the only ? is RT

not saying we have an elite OL but I don't think we are bottom tier either

It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Originally posted by Nastastical:
It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Every single team worries about their O line depth. Look on the rosters of every team and it's journeyman, late rounders and undrafted guys.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Every single team worries about their O line depth. Look on the rosters of every team and it's journeyman, late rounders and undrafted guys.

Yup, what do you think 4eva, will our skill guys win so fast, that it doesn't matter who the OL is? To some extent?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Nastastical:
It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Every single team worries about their O line depth. Look on the rosters of every team and it's journeyman, late rounders and undrafted guys.

Agreed. Offensive line depth is severely lacking in the NFL, but some of our fans think it's only us and rip our front office for ignoring the position, when 4/5 starters were found and developed by our coaching staff. Once we don't lose Trent, I think we can survive the season with a top 15-20 line. The rest of this team can cover for them when needed. Every single unit doesn't have to be elite to win a superbowl.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup, what do you think 4eva, will our skill guys win so fast, that it doesn't matter who the OL is? To some extent?

What matters is consistent QB play. Get that and your o line looks better.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Yup, what do you think 4eva, will our skill guys win so fast, that it doesn't matter who the OL is? To some extent?

What matters is consistent QB play. Get that and your o line looks better.

Heck yes. I think also if BA is uncoverable, that gives a place to go with the football. He makes it look better too. So does CMC, when you gotta put a LB on him, say goodnight. So there are easy places to go with the football here, and boy genius scheming it all up.

Every team in the league has depth issues at some position group. That's just how the NFL is built with the salary structure. Not a team in the league can sustain a winning record if they have more than a few injuries at key positions. In fact i'd say over 75% would fall flat if they lost their starting QB. Except the 49ers, they can apparently go to the conference championship with their 3rd string QB.

And the better your team is the the more likely you'll have depth issues. Good teams = good players making lots of $$$ = not much $$$ to spend on depth so you'll stuck with unproven late round picks.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Every single team worries about their O line depth. Look on the rosters of every team and it's journeyman, late rounders and undrafted guys.

Yup! And this ties into the type of QB that many teams are seeking. These days, you need a QB that can get rid of the ball fast and be somewhat elusive in the pocket. You need a QB that can make quick accurate throws. This is paramount these days. QBs that excel at making intermediate to long throws will struggle because they have to hang onto the ball for too long.

Sound familiar? It should!

Originally posted by bigpete50:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Every single team worries about their O line depth. Look on the rosters of every team and it's journeyman, late rounders and undrafted guys.

Yup! And this ties into the type of QB that many teams are seeking. These days, you need a QB that can get rid of the ball fast and be somewhat elusive in the pocket. You need a QB that can make quick accurate throws. This is paramount these days. QBs that excel at making intermediate to long throws will struggle because they have to hang onto the ball for too long.

Sound familiar? It should!

A QB's best friend is still a good run game. In this offense, if the QB can make the short throws, then the effective run game (playaction game) will help with the intermediate throws. Regarding the OL, we know McGlinchey was a meh pass protector, but he was a good run blocker. If McKovitz can function well as a run blocker, the 49ers run game should be good.

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
We shall see. But a journeyman undrafted center, a n untested 4th and 5th round pick on the right side of the line, and no depth doesn't instill confidence.

both Brendel and Burford were really good last year I think the only ? is RT

not saying we have an elite OL but I don't think we are bottom tier either

It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Statistically they were better than middle of the pack. They were top 10 actually. But they just didn't pass the "eye test" of the fan base.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
We shall see. But a journeyman undrafted center, a n untested 4th and 5th round pick on the right side of the line, and no depth doesn't instill confidence.

both Brendel and Burford were really good last year I think the only ? is RT

not saying we have an elite OL but I don't think we are bottom tier either

It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Statistically they were better than middle of the pack. They were top 10 actually. But they just didn't pass the "eye test" of the fan base.

Banks, Buford, and Brendel were all first year as a starter, so you would expect them to improve and be more consistent this season. RT and depths are the questions. Depth is a question for pretty much all the teams.

McKivitz...he probably won't be that good, but McGlinchey wasn't that good either.

1 new starter out of 5 means the OL should gel more quickly than many other teams.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Nastastical:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
We shall see. But a journeyman undrafted center, a n untested 4th and 5th round pick on the right side of the line, and no depth doesn't instill confidence.

both Brendel and Burford were really good last year I think the only ? is RT

not saying we have an elite OL but I don't think we are bottom tier either

It's impossible to have every single unit be good to elite. It cost way too much money to have both a good defensive and offensive line, especially when you have a bunch of money tied up in other skill positions. If our line performs similar to last season with more continuity and only replacing our RT, then I believe they end up middle of the pack again, which is more than enough to help us win a title.

The problematic issue is our depth, but I trust that our front office will figure this out. We also have all our draft picks, so it wouldn't shock me if the offensive line gets an upgrade if we need it. Kyle and John won't watch this season go down the drain because of poor OLine play. I just don't think there is a rush right now to address an issue that we don't even know if it's really a weakness yet. Remember how some felt about Banks at the start of last season? He changed how people thought about him pretty quickly and Colton could do the same. If not, we'll acquire someone else to start at RT.

I trust our front office and coaches.

Statistically they were better than middle of the pack. They were top 10 actually. But they just didn't pass the "eye test" of the fan base.

Banks, Buford, and Brendel were all first year as a starter, so you would expect them to improve and be more consistent this season. RT and depths are the questions. Depth is a question for pretty much all the teams.

McKivitz...he probably won't be that good, but McGlinchey wasn't that good either.

1 new starter out of 5 means the OL should gel more quickly than many other teams.

This is the hopeful camp I'm in too. Last year was an excellent baseline year. But the playoffs are a whole other animal. So to your point, if Burford can build off a solid year 1 and become far more consistent in PP and McKivitz proves to be a better overall talent than McGlinchey, and the rest of the OL holds serve from last year and they grow as a unit, there's a 'chance' they could be a top 4 playoff OL. That gives you a real chance. We've yet to see that under ShanaLynch per their preferred building strategy

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the hopeful camp I'm in too. Last year was an excellent baseline year. But the playoffs are a whole other animal. So to your point, if Burford can build off a solid year 1 and become far more consistent in PP and McKivitz proves to be a better overall talent than McGlinchey, and the rest of the OL holds serve from last year and they grow as a unit, there's a 'chance' they could be a top 4 playoff OL. That gives you a real chance. We've yet to see that under ShanaLynch per their preferred building strategy

A top 4 playoff OL means nothing if you get historically bad qb or awful secondary play.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by blizzuntz:
He must have known Jimmy would wimp out of the SB

he was injured dude he wasnt even ready in the offseason for his physical

Chargers quarterback Philip Rivers injured his knee in his team's 2008 AFC divisional playoff victory over the Colts, but he would go on to play the next weekend against the Patriots for the AFC championship.

Rivers and the Chargers would lose that game, but the quarterback's determination was more than admirable as he completed 19 of his 37 pass attempts for 211 yards.

Rivers ended up having surgery just three days after the loss to repair his torn ACL.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
This is the hopeful camp I'm in too. Last year was an excellent baseline year. But the playoffs are a whole other animal. So to your point, if Burford can build off a solid year 1 and become far more consistent in PP and McKivitz proves to be a better overall talent than McGlinchey, and the rest of the OL holds serve from last year and they grow as a unit, there's a 'chance' they could be a top 4 playoff OL. That gives you a real chance. We've yet to see that under ShanaLynch per their preferred building strategy

A top 4 playoff OL means nothing if you get historically bad qb or awful secondary play.

True! Very true. But we have that now.