49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

Those great OLs were also inches from their own QBs being hurt and being out the playoffs too.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

Those great OLs were also inches from their own QBs being hurt and being out the playoffs too.

True. Mahomes had an ankle/foot injury throughout the playoffs and Hurts had to play week 18 with an injured shoulder because we were a real threat of taking that #1 seed from them. And that was with a slow start due to poor QB play early on.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO this 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO these 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

But you can easily crown the chiefs and eagles o line as elite even though their paths were much more ideal than our own? 🤣 Even though both QB's dealt with injuries of their own.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO these 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

But you can easily crown the chiefs and eagles o line as elite even though their paths were much more ideal than our own? 🤣 Even though both QB's dealt with injuries of their own.

Of course you can crown them. They won.

Que the, "If you wanna crown them, crown them!" gif

Haha.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO these 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

But you can easily crown the chiefs and eagles o line as elite even though their paths were much more ideal than our own? 🤣 Even though both QB's dealt with injuries of their own.

Of course you can crown them. They won.

Que the, "If you wanna crown them, crown them!" gif

Haha.

They won? The reality is, the chiefs #6 ranked pass pro o line won and the eagles #1 ranked pass pro o line lossed. The eagles defense relies heavily on their pass rush. Pass rush was virtually non existent for both defenses in the SB due to field conditions. I honestly believe we would have faired better against the chiefs offense due to the simple fact that we relied a hell of a lot less on pass rush than the eagles.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO these 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

But you can easily crown the chiefs and eagles o line as elite even though their paths were much more ideal than our own? 🤣 Even though both QB's dealt with injuries of their own.

Of course you can crown them. They won.

Que the, "If you wanna crown them, crown them!" gif

Haha.

They won? The reality is, the chiefs #6 ranked pass pro o line won and the eagles #1 ranked pass pro o line lossed. The eagles defense relies heavily on their pass rush. Pass rush was virtually non existent for both defenses in the SB due to field conditions. I honestly believe we would have faired better against the chiefs offense due to the simple fact that we relied a hell of a lot less on pass rush than the eagles.

We'll just have to hope you're right this year!

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by captveg:
Most of the QB injuries to Jimmy and Lance have been little to do with the OL, too. Even Purdy's arm injury was on the TE not the OL.

Agree, but still its a bit unusual to have four QBs go down in a single season. Hopefully Kyle adjusts his QB protections and offensive schemes, the way he's adjusted his approach from being an offensive coordinator to head coach. He's much more cognizant of QB injuries now, versus when he was just an OC. An example of Kyle changing or tweaking his offensive scheme is his running backs have gotten bigger since he lost the Superbowl in 2019.

Most teams that win superbowls prioritize protecting their qb and keeping their qb healthy. Shanahan does not.

Facts.

You obviously don't know what the word fact means

I mean, I just talked about it. Idk how you can argue we don't prioritize OL. We've just sucked in our scouting in that area.

That's fair...and a bit undetermined too with Banks and Burford. And we'll see with McKivitz.

Would you say they've prioritized it like the Championship teams did? Or like we do with the DL annually? I'd say it hasn't been overlooked but they clearly don't have a desire to buy-develop-trade for an elite unit.

That's been backed by Kyle and John's own comments about team building and actions to date after 7 years. I think it's pretty safe to say they believe they can work around it not being a top unit and prioritize other areas instead. That's more important to them.

Now let's see if it actually works in the end. Let's hope so. There are a lot of ways to build a team, even with the 1990's model they subscribe too.

Ranked top 5 in sack% as well as pressure rate last season after all these years of neglect must seem like a miracle to you.

You know I was very happy with their baseline last year. So yes, most definitely. Did that translate to the playoffs? Absolutely not. Unit pass protection was still a big issue so we're not there yet. That's OK to admit.

Do you think this is an elite OL that gives Kyle, Brock and the playmakers the best shot to help win #6?

Because if you're being honest, that may not match up with PFF. Not yet anyhow.

You keep talking about playoffs as if every O line faced the same quality of opponents. The quality of pass rush that the 49ers O line faced in the playoffs was much stronger than what any other O line in the playoffs faced and it wasn't even close. Yet they were still not the worse pass pro O line in the playoffs and the team made it further than 10 others.

You act like every other team has heaps of talent waiting in the wings to come in off the bench if one of their starters go down. Your example were the eagles. I debunked that theory when I told you that the eagles O line gave up 9 sacks in the two games that Lane Johnson was out due to injury. Also, if you look at what round most of the eagles starting O line from last season were drafted in, you would see that your expectation are way over inflated and just does not fit in with reality. Most of them were late rounders but have 6 plus years of experience in the league. Which means they have been playing at least twice as long as Sirianni has been the HC of the eagles. So his staff aren't even the one's that developed them.

Yes. It was a solid baseline last season and with 4 of the 5 starters back from last year, I expect them to be even better. If Brock didn't get injured (no fault of the O line) our boys might have been the one's hoisting the Lombardi.

If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO these 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

But you can easily crown the chiefs and eagles o line as elite even though their paths were much more ideal than our own? 🤣 Even though both QB's dealt with injuries of their own.

Of course you can crown them. They won.

Que the, "If you wanna crown them, crown them!" gif

Haha.

They won? The reality is, the chiefs #6 ranked pass pro o line won and the eagles #1 ranked pass pro o line lossed. The eagles defense relies heavily on their pass rush. Pass rush was virtually non existent for both defenses in the SB due to field conditions. I honestly believe we would have faired better against the chiefs offense due to the simple fact that we relied a hell of a lot less on pass rush than the eagles.

We'll just have to hope you're right this year!

That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO this 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

How does Orlando Brown ripple effect the secondary?

Not sure a ripple effect of having Kinlaw or Givens as a starter at the moment is also a good ripple effect. Are you more confident in either of them as a starter than McKivitz?

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO this 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

How does Orlando Brown ripple effect the secondary?

Not sure a ripple effect of having Kinlaw or Givens as a starter at the moment is also a good ripple effect. Are you more confident in either of them as a starter than McKivitz?

Defense wins championships and who do we let go to add brown and be pretty much the same NFCCG type team.. Bosa, Aiyuk ?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Defense wins championships and who do we let go to add brown and be pretty much the same NFCCG type team.. Bosa, Aiyuk ?

Defense and a certain QB from USC
the greatest thrower of the football Mr ATT

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by NCommand:
If they need to play only the ideal path under the ideal circumstances, they aren't elite. They are the Jimmy Garoppolo of offensive lines.

If we added Orlando Brown to this OL instead of Javon Hargrave, we'd all say the same thing as we did when we acquired JH..."Oh my God. This unit is elite now. We're going to kill it!"

Imagine one more move like that and the ripple effect it would have on the entire team.

When they make a move like that TO this 1 elite player and 2-3 quality players, now you're truly prioritizing it. Until then, it's just, "We hope..."

How does Orlando Brown ripple effect the secondary?

Not sure a ripple effect of having Kinlaw or Givens as a starter at the moment is also a good ripple effect. Are you more confident in either of them as a starter than McKivitz?

Defense wins championships and who do we let go to add brown and be pretty much the same NFCCG type team.. Bosa, Aiyuk ?

LOL. Defense hasn't won us or Philly anything. As to your other question, if you went Brown you wouldn't have Hargrave.

So it's where you put the priority. What's going to move the needle the most? Hargrave to the #1 defense or Brown to an above average OL?

You're only going to find out one side of that equation under ShanaLynch.