49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
How does Orlando Brown ripple effect the secondary?

Not sure a ripple effect of having Kinlaw or Givens as a starter at the moment is also a good ripple effect. Are you more confident in either of them as a starter than McKivitz?

That's a different topic. And you're right. I'd be down to add an elite CB to that group too. That certainly would help. Which moves the needle the most for this team? Elite 3T, OL or CB/S?

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Only by the OL experts. Not PFF. That's correct.

it's when this guy avoids the run, or the line can't open it up is when they eff up. To say the only thing I'm worried about is the o-line is an understatement.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Only by the OL experts. Not PFF. That's correct.

Who are these o line experts? Some random dude on twitter that took you 2 days to dig up?

Just admit that your theory that you need the #1 o line to win the SB has been proven wrong. What you really need is a top 10 o line and an elite QB.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Only by the OL experts. Not PFF. That's correct.

Who are these o line experts? Some random dude on twitter that took you 2 days to dig up?

There's not a single OL expert out there last year that didn't have the Eagles/Chiefs #1 & #2 last year...from start to finish +1/-1. There certainly wasn't debate about that in here until you started trying to use PFF to state otherwise recently.

If you didn't think the Eagles and the Chiefs had the best OL's last year in the playoffs, who did you have better than them?

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Only by the OL experts. Not PFF. That's correct.

Who are these o line experts? Some random dude on twitter that took you 2 days to dig up?

There's not a single OL expert out there last year that didn't have the Eagles/Chiefs #1 & #2 last year...from start to finish +1/-1. There certainly wasn't debate about that in here until you started trying to use PFF to state otherwise recently.

If you didn't think the Eagles and the Chiefs had the best OL's last year in the playoffs, who did you have better than them?

So it shouldn't take you long to provide the sources for the experts and their rankings.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
That's your comeback to the no 1 pass protection losing?

mahomes taking a beating all playoffs, but you want to crown their ass lol

The #1 played the #2 OL in the Superbowl. Somebody had to lose, right?

No. They did not. The #1 o line lossed to the #6 o line.

Only by the OL experts. Not PFF. That's correct.

Who are these o line experts? Some random dude on twitter that took you 2 days to dig up?

There's not a single OL expert out there last year that didn't have the Eagles/Chiefs #1 & #2 last year...from start to finish +1/-1. There certainly wasn't debate about that in here until you started trying to use PFF to state otherwise recently.

If you didn't think the Eagles and the Chiefs had the best OL's last year in the playoffs, who did you have better than them?

So it shouldn't take you long to provide the sources for the experts and their rankings.

Eagles were #1 in both pass blocking as well as run blocking. I never stated that the eagles weren't the #1 o line in the playoffs. On the contrary, I have stated many times that they were.

Chiefs on the other hand were #4 in pass blocking and #7 in run blocking. And you must not have watched the chiefs o line in the playoffs. What I saw was Mahomes escaping a lot of pressure. So that #4 ranking is very generous.

Chiefs o line Pressure Rate by game

JAX- 40.6%
CIN- 42.0%
PHI- 35.5%

All that pressure and yet only gave up 3 sacks in 3 games. So is that the o line or the QB?

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just admit that your theory that you need the #1 o line to win the SB has been proven wrong. What you really need is a top 10 o line and an elite QB.

I never said #1. I've shown over and over the winning formula every year. I even call it in advance in pre season (both ways).

It's a top OL unit + top QB playing together through the playoffs. "Elite" certainly helps ensure that formula for both as we saw annually from the Rams to Chiefs to the Bucs. All top rated OL's affording their QB to play at their highest level as well. And likewise.

You can define "top" however you like although I've yet to see an OL rated outside of Brandon Thorn's Tier 1 or 2 win anything (that's usually 4-5 teams). But that's the winning combo.

If you've got a better formula, let's see it. You can call it now. I'll start. The Chiefs will NOT win the Superbowl this year (they're outside Tier 1 and 2 again).

Not one person would mistake our OL for playing at a top level in the playoffs (pick any year). Obviously, same concept with the QB. We went as far as our talent could take us.

Only PFF would state otherwise...haha.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Just admit that your theory that you need the #1 o line to win the SB has been proven wrong. What you really need is a top 10 o line and an elite QB.

I never said #1. I've shown over and over the winning formula every year. I even call it in advance in pre season (both ways).

It's a top OL unit + top QB playing together through the playoffs. "Elite" certainly helps ensure that formula for both as we saw annually from the Rams to Chiefs to the Bucs. All top rated OL's affording their QB to play at their highest level as well. And likewise.

You can define "top" however you like although I've yet to see an OL rated outside of Brandon Thorn's Tier 1 or 2 win anything (that's usually 4-5 teams). But that's the winning combo.

If you've got a better formula, let's see it. You can call it now. I'll start. The Chiefs will NOT win the Superbowl this year (they're outside Tier 1 and 2 again).

Not one person would mistake our OL for playing at a top level in the playoffs (pick any year). Obviously, same concept with the QB. We went as far as our talent could take us.

Only PFF would state otherwise...haha.

Refer to my last post.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So it shouldn't take you long to provide the sources for the experts and their rankings.

Sure. Here you go:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Eagles were #1 in both pass blocking as well as run blocking. I never stated that the eagles weren't the #1 o line in the playoffs.

You're trying too hard. Nobody thinks the Bengals or Jacksonville or any AFC playoff team had a better OL than the Chiefs.

The two best QB's and OL's got to play each other in the Superbowl. One had to win. One had to lose.

Pressure only matters if there isn't room to step up/around to throw and/or run to make a play. See our first play and sack of pre season.

And I don't need pff's rankings to prove you wrong. Its just the first step in my argument. You provide very little evidence for anything and then turn around demand every bit of available evidence in order to get you to back off on your extreme takes on the o line.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
So it shouldn't take you long to provide the sources for the experts and their rankings.

Sure. Here you go:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Eagles were #1 in both pass blocking as well as run blocking. I never stated that the eagles weren't the #1 o line in the playoffs.

You're trying too hard. Nobody thinks the Bengals or Jacksonville or any AFC playoff team had a better OL than the Chiefs.

The two best QB's and OL's got to play each other in the Superbowl. One had to win. One had to lose.

Pressure only matters if there isn't room to step up/around to throw and/or run to make a play. See our first play and sack of pre season.

Stop trying to twist s**t. My argument is you keep saying that KC's o line was #2. Which in your mind is just as good as #1. The reality is, they were not. They weren't even close. Refer to my pressure stats.

And please, keep moving the goal posts. Pressure matters. It only doesn't matter if the QB can escape and turn a negative into a positive. Just because the QB makes a play, doesn't mean the o line didn't give up the pressure. Remember, QB's apparently cannot transcend poor o line play.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
And I don't need pff's rankings to prove you wrong. Its just the first step in my argument. You provide very little evidence for anything and then turn around demand every bit of available evidence in order to get you to back off on your extreme takes on the o line.

There's nothing extreme about admitting who had the two best lines last year. That's like trying to say the 9ers and Eagles didn't have the two best DL's or overall defenses.

I also haven't asked you for anything. You're working OT to try to prove the Chiefs didn't have a top OL.

I just showed you what the best OL and DL site said from start to finish and nobody disagreed...until now.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Stop trying to twist s**t. My argument is you keep saying that KC's o line was #2. Which in your mind is just as good as #1. The reality is, they were not. They weren't even close. Refer to my pressure stats.

#2 or #3 or whatever is still a "top" unit. Couple that with a top QB and they squeaked it out over another top OL and QB.

That's football in the modern age.

The formula stands either way.