49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
He's arguing this because he is refusing to admit that you don't need a top 5 o line to win the SB. Well, you might need the #1 o line to win the SB if your QB is named Jimmy G. Because dude is a statue in the pocket and does the o line zero favors when pass pro breaks down.

The SB was KC's o line's best outing in the playoffs. They gave up 42% and 40.6% in the other two games and somehow Mahomes was only sacked 3 times. Elite QB > elite o line. SB LVII proved that.

So then what happened in that TAMPA/KC superbowl?

KC's o line gave up pressure on 55.4% of Mahomes dropbacks in the SB against TB. Obviously there is a point where not even the QB can make a horrible o line look good. To put it simply, Mahomes faced a better QB who had a better o line that day.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
KC's o line gave up pressure on 55.4% of Mahomes dropbacks in the SB against TB. Obviously there is a point where not even the QB can make a horrible o line look good. To put it simply, Mahomes faced a better QB who had a better o line that day.

One could argue that the better Oline is what made the other QB better that day

Originally posted by krizay:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
KC's o line gave up pressure on 55.4% of Mahomes dropbacks in the SB against TB. Obviously there is a point where not even the QB can make a horrible o line look good. To put it simply, Mahomes faced a better QB who had a better o line that day.

One could argue that the better Oline is what made the other QB better that day

One could but than again, we aren't talking about just any QB. We are talking about the GOAT Tom Brady. The fastest gun in the east. Tom Brady's average TTT in that game was 2.16 seconds.

Originally posted by evil:

Originally posted by NCommand:
My man!

Back to the genius...

What will be Kyle's first passing play call for Brock tomorrow night?

Brock lined up out wide, Deebo under center and he calls a quintuple reverse screen.

Genius! The ultimate decoy!

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you justify the rate of pressure vs sacks allowed? The answer is you just cannot without giving a majority of the credit to the QB for avoiding would be sacks. That is me also disputing pff's #4 playoff pass blocking ranking. You put Jimmy behind that KC o line and they lose in the championship round if not the divisional round.

Its baffling he's arguing this. The chiefs OL was all sorts of bad in the playoffs. I watched all 3 of their games. They got mahomes leg nearly snapped in half and but for mahomes being a hall of fame once in a generation player would've never made the sb

35% pressure rate in the sb, no sacks. There is a reason, and that reason is solely mahomes. I hate to admit it because I wish we had an elite QB but it is the truth

He's arguing this because he is refusing to admit that you don't need a top 5 o line to win the SB. Well, you might need the #1 o line to win the SB if your QB is named Jimmy G. Because dude is a statue in the pocket and does the o line zero favors when pass pro breaks down.

The SB was KC's o line's best outing in the playoffs. They gave up 42% and 40.6% in the other two games and somehow Mahomes was only sacked 3 times. Elite QB > elite o line. SB LVII proved that.

LOL. You two are still going on this topic? It sounds like you two badly want to talk Jimmy Garoppolo.

Since you two are the experts of when an OL is a top unit or not, over subject matter experts, and when the QB transcends it FTW, why don't you break it down for us using last year.

Rank YOUR OL's from best to worst.

As to your silly assertion of using the outlier of PM and Tom and Stafford, they came onto a team that already HAD tier 1 OL's. Adding a top tier QB to that is what helped them win a Superbowl. Need further proof? The next year when they didn't have that, they fell off the planet.

YOU NEED BOTH.

Even PM, which is why he won't win this year. It's still real world football no matter how hard you try to make it Madden where the QB has all the control and can transcend any deficiency. There was only 1 time PM needed to transcend a non-Tier 1 OL and he failed. Badly.

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you justify the rate of pressure vs sacks allowed? The answer is you just cannot without giving a majority of the credit to the QB for avoiding would be sacks. That is me also disputing pff's #4 playoff pass blocking ranking. You put Jimmy behind that KC o line and they lose in the championship round if not the divisional round.

Its baffling he's arguing this. The chiefs OL was all sorts of bad in the playoffs. I watched all 3 of their games. They got mahomes leg nearly snapped in half and but for mahomes being a hall of fame once in a generation player would've never made the sb

35% pressure rate in the sb, no sacks. There is a reason, and that reason is solely mahomes. I hate to admit it because I wish we had an elite QB but it is the truth

He's arguing this because he is refusing to admit that you don't need a top 5 o line to win the SB. Well, you might need the #1 o line to win the SB if your QB is named Jimmy G. Because dude is a statue in the pocket and does the o line zero favors when pass pro breaks down.

The SB was KC's o line's best outing in the playoffs. They gave up 42% and 40.6% in the other two games and somehow Mahomes was only sacked 3 times. Elite QB > elite o line. SB LVII proved that.

LOL. You two are still going on this topic? It sounds like you two badly want to talk Jimmy Garoppolo.

Since you two are the experts of when an OL is a top unit or not, over subject matter experts, and when the QB transcends it FTW, why don't you break it down for us using last year.

Rank YOUR OL's from best to worst.

As to your silly assertion of using the outlier of PM and Tom and Stafford, they came onto a team that already HAD tier 1 OL's. Adding a top tier QB to that is what helped them win a Superbowl. Need further proof? The next year when they didn't have that, they fell off the planet.

YOU NEED BOTH.

Even PM, which is why he won't win this year. It's still real world football no matter how hard you try to make it Madden where the QB has all the control and can transcend any deficiency. There was only 1 time PM needed to transcend a non-Tier 1 OL and he failed. Badly.

You are absolutely right. Wtf was I thinking? None of the overwhelming evidence is valid. See ya'll...never. Had it with this f**king retarded place. Its becoming the cesspool that FB is.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you justify the rate of pressure vs sacks allowed? The answer is you just cannot without giving a majority of the credit to the QB for avoiding would be sacks. That is me also disputing pff's #4 playoff pass blocking ranking. You put Jimmy behind that KC o line and they lose in the championship round if not the divisional round.

Its baffling he's arguing this. The chiefs OL was all sorts of bad in the playoffs. I watched all 3 of their games. They got mahomes leg nearly snapped in half and but for mahomes being a hall of fame once in a generation player would've never made the sb

35% pressure rate in the sb, no sacks. There is a reason, and that reason is solely mahomes. I hate to admit it because I wish we had an elite QB but it is the truth

He's arguing this because he is refusing to admit that you don't need a top 5 o line to win the SB. Well, you might need the #1 o line to win the SB if your QB is named Jimmy G. Because dude is a statue in the pocket and does the o line zero favors when pass pro breaks down.

The SB was KC's o line's best outing in the playoffs. They gave up 42% and 40.6% in the other two games and somehow Mahomes was only sacked 3 times. Elite QB > elite o line. SB LVII proved that.

LOL. You two are still going on this topic? It sounds like you two badly want to talk Jimmy Garoppolo.

Since you two are the experts of when an OL is a top unit or not, over subject matter experts, and when the QB transcends it FTW, why don't you break it down for us using last year.

Rank YOUR OL's from best to worst.

As to your silly assertion of using the outlier of PM and Tom and Stafford, they came onto a team that already HAD tier 1 OL's. Adding a top tier QB to that is what helped them win a Superbowl. Need further proof? The next year when they didn't have that, they fell off the planet.

YOU NEED BOTH.

Even PM, which is why he won't win this year. It's still real world football no matter how hard you try to make it Madden where the QB has all the control and can transcend any deficiency. There was only 1 time PM needed to transcend a non-Tier 1 OL and he failed. Badly.

You are absolutely right. Wtf was I thinking? None of the overwhelming evidence is valid. See ya'll...never. Had it with this f**king retarded place. Its becoming the cesspool that FB is.

Bummer. You were a good one. Take care.

Someone help me. What is a top offensive line?

Is it pass protection? Is it run blocking? Is it the power to stop the bull rush? Is it the speed and agility to keep position on a speed rush? Is it hand fighting ability? Is it the speed to get to your pulling block on a run play? Is it the agility to not miss that run block? Is there a group more dependent on teamwork? Do most breakdowns come from individual physical failures or lack of teamwork and communication? Do older lines with more experienced have fewer teamwork breakdowns? Do older linemen get too tired to function well against rotated D linemen? Is it the intelligence to ad lib the best new blocking scheme on the run if the D surprises you? Since you must allocate resources, it it better to improve a lineman or improve a receiver that will give your quarterback a quicker target? Will a top running back get through a hole that isn't held quite as long? Is it better to have a quarterback that moves well in the pocket, or a better pass protector on the line? Is that mobile quarterback worth compromising on arm talent? Progressions? Reading the field? Judgement? Durability?

Man. That's just too many balls to keep juggling in the air at once. I'm just going to leave that to John and Kyle and their staffs.

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by frenchmov:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
How do you justify the rate of pressure vs sacks allowed? The answer is you just cannot without giving a majority of the credit to the QB for avoiding would be sacks. That is me also disputing pff's #4 playoff pass blocking ranking. You put Jimmy behind that KC o line and they lose in the championship round if not the divisional round.

Its baffling he's arguing this. The chiefs OL was all sorts of bad in the playoffs. I watched all 3 of their games. They got mahomes leg nearly snapped in half and but for mahomes being a hall of fame once in a generation player would've never made the sb

35% pressure rate in the sb, no sacks. There is a reason, and that reason is solely mahomes. I hate to admit it because I wish we had an elite QB but it is the truth

He's arguing this because he is refusing to admit that you don't need a top 5 o line to win the SB. Well, you might need the #1 o line to win the SB if your QB is named Jimmy G. Because dude is a statue in the pocket and does the o line zero favors when pass pro breaks down.

The SB was KC's o line's best outing in the playoffs. They gave up 42% and 40.6% in the other two games and somehow Mahomes was only sacked 3 times. Elite QB > elite o line. SB LVII proved that.

LOL. You two are still going on this topic? It sounds like you two badly want to talk Jimmy Garoppolo.

Since you two are the experts of when an OL is a top unit or not, over subject matter experts, and when the QB transcends it FTW, why don't you break it down for us using last year.

Rank YOUR OL's from best to worst.

As to your silly assertion of using the outlier of PM and Tom and Stafford, they came onto a team that already HAD tier 1 OL's. Adding a top tier QB to that is what helped them win a Superbowl. Need further proof? The next year when they didn't have that, they fell off the planet.

YOU NEED BOTH.

Even PM, which is why he won't win this year. It's still real world football no matter how hard you try to make it Madden where the QB has all the control and can transcend any deficiency. There was only 1 time PM needed to transcend a non-Tier 1 OL and he failed. Badly.

You are absolutely right. Wtf was I thinking? None of the overwhelming evidence is valid. See ya'll...never. Had it with this f**king retarded place. Its becoming the cesspool that FB is.

Everywhere is getting that way and it seems you're pretty keen to math, so think of this site as an equation that needs balancing. I've had to mute some of the bottom feeders, but without quality posts from people like you, that's all that'll remain.

Here's something to agree on:

Denver had a s**tty OL last year, I think ranked 29th.

What was it the last 5 years prior? I'm willing to bet a lot it wasn't that low.

We all KNOW why it was 29th.

No need to say the name, just cough in recognition as you read this.

Originally posted by BOI49er:
Someone help me. What is a top offensive line?

Is it pass protection? Is it run blocking? Is it the power to stop the bull rush? Is it the speed and agility to keep position on a speed rush? Is it hand fighting ability? Is it the speed to get to your pulling block on a run play? Is it the agility to not miss that run block? Is there a group more dependent on teamwork? Do most breakdowns come from individual physical failures or lack of teamwork and communication? Do older lines with more experienced have fewer teamwork breakdowns? Do older linemen get too tired to function well against rotated D linemen? Is it the intelligence to ad lib the best new blocking scheme on the run if the D surprises you? Since you must allocate resources, it it better to improve a lineman or improve a receiver that will give your quarterback a quicker target? Will a top running back get through a hole that isn't held quite as long? Is it better to have a quarterback that moves well in the pocket, or a better pass protector on the line? Is that mobile quarterback worth compromising on arm talent? Progressions? Reading the field? Judgement? Durability?

Man. That's just too many balls to keep juggling in the air at once. I'm just going to leave that to John and Kyle and their staffs.

It's everyone but the 9ers if you ask certain posters on here.

What a cluster… trade 3 firsts, don't play in year one, get injured 5 quarters in to season 2, and then replaced by a guy who's definition of marginal. Does Kyle get fired if lance plays well on next team?

Originally posted by frenchmov:
Its baffling he's arguing this. The chiefs OL was all sorts of bad in the playoffs. I watched all 3 of their games. They got mahomes leg nearly snapped in half and but for mahomes being a hall of fame once in a generation player would've never made the sb

35% pressure rate in the sb, no sacks. There is a reason, and that reason is solely mahomes. I hate to admit it because I wish we had an elite QB but it is the truth

Of course it is. But when you've been arguing the same narrative for half a decade you grasp for whatever straws you can.

Brock is 1000% gonna make the OL look better with his escapability.

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
What a cluster… trade 3 firsts, don't play in year one, get injured 5 quarters in to season 2, and then replaced by a guy who's definition of marginal. Does Kyle get fired if lance plays well on next team?

Only if Brock fails to be better than Trey

Originally posted by NinerBuff:
What a cluster… trade 3 firsts, don't play in year one, get injured 5 quarters in to season 2, and then replaced by a guy who's definition of marginal. Does Kyle get fired if lance plays well on next team?

No