49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

One had a four win season and the team was trending down and got fired, the other is coming off back to back winning seasons and is trending up with a FQB and a top ranked team.

What has Kyle done to deserve to be fired more than Pederson?

so you're telling me if Kyle won the SB in 2019 then went to the playoffs in 2020 and 2021 but had one of the most injured teams in football that couldn't compete by the end of the year (like we had in 2020) he should have been fired? Good to know.

I never said anyone deserved to be fired, you did. You said lots of coaches have been fired for less than what Kyle has done to deserve to be fired and used Pederson as an example. The guy coming off a 4 win season is more deserving of getting canned than the guy coming off a 13 win season.

Originally posted by libertyforever:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Well for one thing, he's looking at more non-film stuff. Prior to Pettis he was a big film junkie, and I"m sure he stll is, but he's also learned about having players with a dog inside of them, instead of a cat inside of them like Pettis. After the Pettis pick, his Wr's are all beasts. That's one dimension I can point to where he's grown.

As for picking QB's, he didn't have much experience drafting high end QB's. When he got RGIII and Kirk Cousins, I think his dad was HC. When he got those other QB's, he was OC - (for example) Matt Ryan was already on the Atlanta team prior to Kyle taking over the Atlanta OC duties. He's a young coach and still learning. Kyle's never been a QB in college or the pros, so Brian Griese does help him with QB development the way Scangarello (who was never a college or pro player, as far as I can tell) could not help develop QB's with either.

As for Trey specifically, Kyle basically took a swing and missed. Trey is going to be a good QB. Kyle wanted him to stay with the 49ers a la Steve Young -- but Trey's not experienced a bad organizations before like Steve did with the USFL and Tampa Bay. So I can't fault Trey for leaving for *supposedly* greener pastures. Oh well, he'll hopefuly get the reps he needs to develop with Dallas and have a much more healthy and productive career there than here.

I disagree a little that he's grown at the WR position. Pettis wasn't the norm for him. It was one pick. Go look at his past WRs. Julio, Andre Johnson, Pierre garçon, Mohamed Sanu, Josh Gordon etc. Those are not cat lovers who listen to Coldplay lol.

As far as the QB position, it's not just lance. It's been the WHOLE process. Passing on generational talent like Mahomes/Allen/Watson all because you want Kirk? Making Jimmy the highest paid player after 5 games. Passing on the GOAT because of Jimmy etc.

Then he goes into a draft half knowing who to take when they make the move? He passes on legit one of the highest recruited college prospects ever (fields) in favor of a super young/raw prospect that he KNEW needed to play and would take time.

banner isn't wrong. Kyle is emotional and short-sighted. Like damn near every HC. that s**t has unfolded in front of us time and time at the QB position.

That's why he needs a GM that can at the very least be his equal. There's a reason why kyle hired John, and wasn't for his vast experience building a roster. It was his ability to talk to the media and deal with the ups and downs as the buffer man. He's good at talking. Kyle hates that s**t.

Kyle is a top 5 HC, his play calling is elite level. I wish we had a GM that would manage more of that roster building stuff and of course coexisting with Kyle.

He has that GM that Kyle respects - his name is Mike Shanahan. One reason that the roster is packed with stars that came from the lower rounds in the draft is because that front office listens to Mike Shanahan, and so does Kyle. It's as close to the Walsh/McVay relationship as we can get. Now, Mike's retired - in name only - in my view. He's still watching tape and the whole entire organization was rejiggered to make sure Mike has tape of *evertthing* going on in practice, games, scouting team meetings, etc...

Keep in mind, after Trey was drafted, Kyle pretty much got rid of his entire offensive staff. Who helped rebuild that offensive staff? Mike Shanahan, with Brian comming in to help with the QB coaching duties. You know what a key part of a GM's duty is? It's to hire the coaches to coach the team - John didn't do that - Mike did.

Don't get me wrong, Adam Peters, and John Lynch do a lot of the grunt work and contract work that a GM does. But Mike's a big part of John's and Adam's GM-ship. So, to say Kyle needs a GM he respects - he already has that.

As for the QB position, they simply swung and missed with Trey. It happens. In that study DsHern cited previously, there were 34 QB's taken between the 2000 and 2015 seasons, only 3 made the probowl multiple times. The draft is a lottery and a crapshoot with the odds stacked against the GM and HC. And the other reason the 49ers organization could let Trey go is because of the *luck* in finding a potential franchise level QB in Purdy. The Cap is a big limiter in keeping and hording talent. I'm sure the 49ers would have found a way to pay for Lance's 5th year option if there was no cap. But there is a cap and they have to load up the brinks truck for Bosa. Trey's cap space is going to be really valuable in signing Bosa for the future. I was hoping Trey would stay with the 49ers, Kyle also, but it was Treys call and he called it unfortunately for the 49ers.

I might be wrong, but I doubt Mike Shanahan is that involved. He might watch the team training, but I doubt he spent that much time doing scout work.

I have facts to prove my point.

Originally posted by libertyforever:
I might be wrong, but I doubt Mike Shanahan is that involved. He might watch the team training, but I doubt he spent that much time doing scout work.

From an interview with Mike I saw a while back, he's not involved in a big way. He does watch enough of our drill work, practice, games, meetings etc, so that if KS does ask a question, he can answer. At least that's what he was saying a while back.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Trubisky was the consensus top rated QB coming out in the year of Mahomes and Watson, which proves that the draft is just a crap shoot. Allen is irrelevant to this discussion. Watson has not proven to be generational. In retrospect, Kyle may have won a couple SBs with Cousins instead of Jimmy. But Jimmy had a helluva first 6 games here and was worth developing. This judging in hindsight is so f**king annoying. Coulda had this guy, coulda had that guy. b******t. What about Purdy then? If Purdy continues to play like a top 5 QB, then are we going to start singing Kyle's praises then too? I doubt it. More likely, it's going to be some guys on our staff found Purdy and Kyle got lucky, because context only applies when it suits ones argument.

Why is Allen irrelevant? Go back and look at what could have been

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/schefter-tells-wild-story-of-how-qb-allen-could-have-been-a-49er/1128770/?amp=1

Yeah kyle said he liked Mitch, turns out that was a horrible evaluation on his part (the GM who moved up to draft him got fired)….SAME for not even LOOKING at Mahomes or Watson, kyle again being short-sighted. Not wanting to develop a young QB.

Watson prior to his hand job fetish was one of the best youth QBs in the league. That was on a trash team with another HC who had too much power as a roster builder.

how about tagging Jimmy instead of giving him the largest contract in NFL history at that time? It was 5 games dude.

Only way you get better is looking at what to did WRONG, learning from it and not repeating it. Why do you think coaches and GMs get fired? Because of s**t they've already done.

again this isn't me s**tting on kyle the HC. He's a rockstar there…It's s**tting on the system he set up where he has no one around him that's his equal or can tell him no. Lynch wasn't some roster builder, he literally had no experience working in a FO at any level. Zero. Even he said as the GM, I defer to kyle when it comes to QB, what? s**t he even said kyle maybe we should checkout this Mahomes guy when he went to his pro-day.

as far as Brock goes, only person that should be patting themselves on the back, is Brock. Kyle said he reminded him of Nick Mullens lol. If they loved him so much, they wouldn't have taken a DT with a torn ACL or a IOL from Fordham. I really hope it works out and he's the next elite guy. I feel like this is how we will land a top tier QB. Luck lol

Coaches and GMs don't get fired for building a team than ranks in the top 5 for offense and #1 for defense.
Why do you keep suggesting they deserve to be fired?

Answer: Trey Lance was traded

Originally posted by Giedi:
He has that GM that Kyle respects - his name is Mike Shanahan. One reason that the roster is packed with stars that came from the lower rounds in the draft is because that front office listens to Mike Shanahan, and so does Kyle. It's as close to the Walsh/McVay relationship as we can get. Now, Mike's retired - in name only - in my view. He's still watching tape and the whole entire organization was rejiggered to make sure Mike has tape of *evertthing* going on in practice, games, scouting team meetings, etc...

Keep in mind, after Trey was drafted, Kyle pretty much got rid of his entire offensive staff. Who helped rebuild that offensive staff? Mike Shanahan, with Brian comming in to help with the QB coaching duties. You know what a key part of a GM's duty is? It's to hire the coaches to coach the team - John didn't do that - Mike did.

Don't get me wrong, Adam Peters, and John Lynch do a lot of the grunt work and contract work that a GM does. But Mike's a big part of John's and Adam's GM-ship. So, to say Kyle needs a GM he respects - he already has that.

As for the QB position, they simply swung and missed with Trey. It happens. In that study DsHern cited previously, there were 34 QB's taken between the 2000 and 2015 seasons, only 3 made the probowl multiple times. The draft is a lottery and a crapshoot with the odds stacked against the GM and HC. And the other reason the 49ers organization could let Trey go is because of the *luck* in finding a potential franchise level QB in Purdy. The Cap is a big limiter in keeping and hording talent. I'm sure the 49ers would have found a way to pay for Lance's 5th year option if there was no cap. But there is a cap and they have to load up the brinks truck for Bosa. Trey's cap space is going to be really valuable in signing Bosa for the future. I was hoping Trey would stay with the 49ers, Kyle also, but it was Treys call and he called it unfortunately for the 49ers.

Lol so old man shanahan is running the show from his house? Stop. You have no legit evidence that Mike is making those picks or had really any say on who is on this team. That's a f**king reach man. Jed isn't letting a guy control his team who's not even on the payroll. Sure I don't doubt that Mike consults with his son. He's not in meetings going over who SF is drafting. He's not hiring coaches. Dude has been out of the league for like a decade.

Lance's $5M in savings for 2024 has absolutely no bearing on nick's massive contract. Zero.

pointing out years worth of misses at the QB position is not s**tting on anything, it's the truth of what happened. You gotta get that position correct, if you want to win a SB and keep your job long-term as a HC/GM imo. We will see if the last pick in the draft turns into a super star, that's about as lucky as it gets more than great evaluation and development.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Luck is always involved when landing a top tier guy, my guy. That's the point.

For sure…it's usually NOT the last pick in the draft though lol.

Sometimes it is comes late the 6th round instead of late in the 7th.

I don't know about you guys, but it is still kind of weird Kyle and John ripped the Band-Aid off and traded Lance. The last few years, in my mind, was all about Lance's development and defending the poor kid. He's actually gone. Feels like someone abruptly died in the sports sense of it. Now it's like

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I never said anyone deserved to be fired, you did.
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No I didn't. nowhere did I said Kyle SHOULD be fired. I said some have been fired for less, which they have. Your constant twisting of words to argue is so old man.

Originally posted by Silky:
I don't know about you guys, but it is still kind of weird Kyle and John ripped the Band-Aid off and traded Lance. The last few years, in my mind, was all about Lance's development and defending the poor kid. He's actually gone. Feels like someone abruptly died in the sports sense of it. Now it's like

I mean what would we have done with TL? He would just be sitting every week as a gameday inactive, emergency QB, taking up cap. The season would look the same with our without him, imo. I just don't view the last few years about developing one man. I viewed it as winning #6. If we were some sad sack, 3 win team, then it would be all about developing that one guy, like CHI last season for example. Or like the 2005-2006 49ers. As to what we do now, we take care of business each week, and clear some time in February for the parade.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
He has that GM that Kyle respects - his name is Mike Shanahan. One reason that the roster is packed with stars that came from the lower rounds in the draft is because that front office listens to Mike Shanahan, and so does Kyle. It's as close to the Walsh/McVay relationship as we can get. Now, Mike's retired - in name only - in my view. He's still watching tape and the whole entire organization was rejiggered to make sure Mike has tape of *evertthing* going on in practice, games, scouting team meetings, etc...

Keep in mind, after Trey was drafted, Kyle pretty much got rid of his entire offensive staff. Who helped rebuild that offensive staff? Mike Shanahan, with Brian comming in to help with the QB coaching duties. You know what a key part of a GM's duty is? It's to hire the coaches to coach the team - John didn't do that - Mike did.

Don't get me wrong, Adam Peters, and John Lynch do a lot of the grunt work and contract work that a GM does. But Mike's a big part of John's and Adam's GM-ship. So, to say Kyle needs a GM he respects - he already has that.

As for the QB position, they simply swung and missed with Trey. It happens. In that study DsHern cited previously, there were 34 QB's taken between the 2000 and 2015 seasons, only 3 made the probowl multiple times. The draft is a lottery and a crapshoot with the odds stacked against the GM and HC. And the other reason the 49ers organization could let Trey go is because of the *luck* in finding a potential franchise level QB in Purdy. The Cap is a big limiter in keeping and hording talent. I'm sure the 49ers would have found a way to pay for Lance's 5th year option if there was no cap. But there is a cap and they have to load up the brinks truck for Bosa. Trey's cap space is going to be really valuable in signing Bosa for the future. I was hoping Trey would stay with the 49ers, Kyle also, but it was Treys call and he called it unfortunately for the 49ers.

Lol so old man shanahan is running the show from his house? Stop. You have no legit evidence that Mike is making those picks or had really any say on who is on this team. That's a f**king reach man. Jed isn't letting a guy control his team who's not even on the payroll. Sure I don't doubt that Mike consults with his son. He's not in meetings going over who SF is drafting. He's not hiring coaches. Dude has been out of the league for like a decade.

Lance's $5M in savings for 2024 has absolutely no bearing on nick's massive contract. Zero.

pointing out years worth of misses at the QB position is not s**tting on anything, it's the truth of what happened. You gotta get that position correct, if you want to win a SB and keep your job long-term as a HC/GM imo. We will see if the last pick in the draft turns into a super star, that's about as lucky as it gets more than great evaluation and development.

"I just wanted to have the ability to be able to look at his meetings, to be able to study the film, personnel as well, in his scheme, and be able to stay on top of it because when he did call me up for my opinion, I want at least a chance to give him an educated opinion. Just not talk in generalities, but be able to talk specifics.

"Not that he has to call me very often, but it is fun when we do get a chance to talk, we're talking about scheme or personnel. Usually it's about the things that he can't look at. Maybe you're second or third deep at one position, the scout team, or different things that he may see that he might miss. But he doesn't miss very much, I promise you that."

Mike Shanahan gets his access to the footage about 30 minutes after the recordings are completed. He'll start taking a look at it the next day, usually after waking up at 4 a.m. and heading into his home office with the iPad in hand.

"It's kind of neat for me to have it where when he watches something or sees something, he tells me, 'Hey, you guys should've done this or that.'" Kyle Shanahan said. "I look into it what he says. And it's nice to have another set of eyes. Where, 'Hey, I missed that.' I'll go back and check that. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-133108/

Why dont you *prove* to me your point (that he's not a big part of the front office) with some facts.

Originally posted by Giedi:

"I just wanted to have the ability to be able to look at his meetings, to be able to study the film, personnel as well, in his scheme, and be able to stay on top of it because when he did call me up for my opinion, I want at least a chance to give him an educated opinion. Just not talk in generalities, but be able to talk specifics.

"Not that he has to call me very often, but it is fun when we do get a chance to talk, we're talking about scheme or personnel. Usually it's about the things that he can't look at. Maybe you're second or third deep at one position, the scout team, or different things that he may see that he might miss. But he doesn't miss very much, I promise you that."

Mike Shanahan gets his access to the footage about 30 minutes after the recordings are completed. He'll start taking a look at it the next day, usually after waking up at 4 a.m. and heading into his home office with the iPad in hand.

"It's kind of neat for me to have it where when he watches something or sees something, he tells me, 'Hey, you guys should've done this or that.'" Kyle Shanahan said. "I look into it what he says. And it's nice to have another set of eyes. Where, 'Hey, I missed that.' I'll go back and check that. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-133108/

Why dont you *prove* to me your point (that he's not a big part of the front office) with some facts.

So it's like Jack harbaugh lol. Come on man, he's not making personnel decisions. He's having convos with his son about football. Kyle is running the ship not old man shanny.

Originally posted by Silky:
I don't know about you guys, but it is still kind of weird Kyle and John ripped the Band-Aid off and traded Lance. The last few years, in my mind, was all about Lance's development and defending the poor kid. He's actually gone. Feels like someone abruptly died in the sports sense of it. Now it's like

Agree, 3 first round picks burned up for Trey that went to Dallas for a 4th is pretty hard to stomach. The front office deserves to be raked over the hot coals for that decision. Having said that, what saves their skin is the Brock Purdy pick. That was the luckiest lotto pick in 49er history - in my opinon. But for the Purdy pick, Lance is still QB1 and starting this year, in my opinion.

The Lance injuries (finger, leg) was similar to the Alex Smith injury where Colin just took over the team and Harbaugh decided to trade Alex. Sucks that injuries deralied Trey's development. I really can see him being a dominant QB with the 49ers under Kyle. Just needed more in game reps and he'd be a great one. I still think that. I also still think, but for Colin's non-football distractions, Colin would have been another great QB for the 49ers. Oh well. Injuries in football are a common occurence, and Kyle's done a good job in ultizing injuries to find diamonds in the rough in my opinion. Example: Elijah Mitchell.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

"I just wanted to have the ability to be able to look at his meetings, to be able to study the film, personnel as well, in his scheme, and be able to stay on top of it because when he did call me up for my opinion, I want at least a chance to give him an educated opinion. Just not talk in generalities, but be able to talk specifics.

"Not that he has to call me very often, but it is fun when we do get a chance to talk, we're talking about scheme or personnel. Usually it's about the things that he can't look at. Maybe you're second or third deep at one position, the scout team, or different things that he may see that he might miss. But he doesn't miss very much, I promise you that."

Mike Shanahan gets his access to the footage about 30 minutes after the recordings are completed. He'll start taking a look at it the next day, usually after waking up at 4 a.m. and heading into his home office with the iPad in hand.

"It's kind of neat for me to have it where when he watches something or sees something, he tells me, 'Hey, you guys should've done this or that.'" Kyle Shanahan said. "I look into it what he says. And it's nice to have another set of eyes. Where, 'Hey, I missed that.' I'll go back and check that. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-133108/

Why dont you *prove* to me your point (that he's not a big part of the front office) with some facts.

So it's like Jack harbaugh lol. Come on man, he's not making personnel decisions. He's having convos with his son about football. Kyle is running the ship not old man shanny.

You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts my friend. If you don't have facts to back up your opinion, then it's not much of an opinion, in my opinion.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

"I just wanted to have the ability to be able to look at his meetings, to be able to study the film, personnel as well, in his scheme, and be able to stay on top of it because when he did call me up for my opinion, I want at least a chance to give him an educated opinion. Just not talk in generalities, but be able to talk specifics.

"Not that he has to call me very often, but it is fun when we do get a chance to talk, we're talking about scheme or personnel. Usually it's about the things that he can't look at. Maybe you're second or third deep at one position, the scout team, or different things that he may see that he might miss. But he doesn't miss very much, I promise you that."

Mike Shanahan gets his access to the footage about 30 minutes after the recordings are completed. He'll start taking a look at it the next day, usually after waking up at 4 a.m. and heading into his home office with the iPad in hand.

"It's kind of neat for me to have it where when he watches something or sees something, he tells me, 'Hey, you guys should've done this or that.'" Kyle Shanahan said. "I look into it what he says. And it's nice to have another set of eyes. Where, 'Hey, I missed that.' I'll go back and check that. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-133108/

Why dont you *prove* to me your point (that he's not a big part of the front office) with some facts.

So it's like Jack harbaugh lol. Come on man, he's not making personnel decisions. He's having convos with his son about football. Kyle is running the ship not old man shanny.

There was a piece that aired last year talking about Mike and how much involvement he has with the team, and it is almost none. Kyle rarely asks his advice on team matters, and Mike doesn't want to be a meddling father.

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I never said anyone deserved to be fired, you did.
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No I didn't. nowhere did I said Kyle SHOULD be fired. I said some have been fired for less, which they have. Your constant twisting of words to argue is so old man.

I kind of followed that exchange you guys had and you are both misunderstanding each other, from what I was able to understand (Kyle fired for having done less than the Eagles coach, something like that). I wanted to clear it up but also wanted to see what came of it.