49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I covered this in earlier posts. We're not entitled to win the Super Bowl. Super Bowl or bust is an outdated cliche that dates back to an era of football 30 years past and an ownership and league that doesn't exist anymore.

You win SB's by contending for them. Kyle hasn't been solely responsible for the failure to secure a title and is arguably the primary reason we're in position to win one.

My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

I bet he takes on a bit more of an aggressive approach with Brock at QB. A QB that can make something happen if the original playcall is not optimal.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

this was my thoughts in the Moody thread, perhaps Jake Moody is the plot twist we needed, to unleash aggressive Kyle

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

With Jimmy, we gone over all the missed plays.

Kyle trusts all his QBs, but do the QBs trust themselves ?

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I covered this in earlier posts. We're not entitled to win the Super Bowl. Super Bowl or bust is an outdated cliche that dates back to an era of football 30 years past and an ownership and league that doesn't exist anymore.

You win SB's by contending for them. Kyle hasn't been solely responsible for the failure to secure a title and is arguably the primary reason we're in position to win one.

My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

I bet he takes on a bit more of an aggressive approach with Brock at QB. A QB that can make something happen if the original playcall is not optimal.

He absolutely will. Just looking at his playcalling for Purdy in the preseason that seems like the case. When he came out vs Denver calling pass play after pass play on the first drive, I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or not. I mean, this has been a run first team since long before Kyle's arrival, but I think we're going to have an explosive passing for the first time since Owens/Garcia. So hyped for this season!!!

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I covered this in earlier posts. We're not entitled to win the Super Bowl. Super Bowl or bust is an outdated cliche that dates back to an era of football 30 years past and an ownership and league that doesn't exist anymore.

You win SB's by contending for them. Kyle hasn't been solely responsible for the failure to secure a title and is arguably the primary reason we're in position to win one.

My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

I bet he takes on a bit more of an aggressive approach with Brock at QB. A QB that can make something happen if the original playcall is not optimal.

He absolutely will. Just looking at his playcalling for Purdy in the preseason that seems like the case. When he came out vs Denver calling pass play after pass play on the first drive, I wasn't sure if I was dreaming or not. I mean, this has been a run first team since long before Kyle's arrival, but I think we're going to have an explosive passing for the first time since Owens/Garcia. So hyped for this season!!!

I felt like that was because of Purdy's limited snap count in the game more than anything, but if Purdy can deliver to the right spot at the right time we have too many weapons not to get a little more aggressive.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

this was my thoughts in the Moody thread, perhaps Jake Moody is the plot twist we needed, to unleash aggressive Kyle

It's always been a little surprising to me kyle doesnt take more chances on fourth and short around center field, mainly because we have a great defense. I'm hoping he is more aggressive though since he seems to have a lot of faith in Brock.

Brock is accurate in the short and intermediate game, also has nice mobility, a lot of options.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

this was my thoughts in the Moody thread, perhaps Jake Moody is the plot twist we needed, to unleash aggressive Kyle

It's always been a little surprising to me kyle doesnt take more chances on fourth and short around center field, mainly because we have a great defense. I'm hoping he is more aggressive though since he seems to have a lot of faith in Brock.

Brock is accurate in the short and intermediate game, also has nice mobility, a lot of options.

Brock is nowhere near as good at the QB sneak as Jimmy G was though, so I hope we don't rely on that nearly as much as we did with Jimmy in 1-ft or less to go situations.

Originally posted by captveg:
Brock is nowhere near as good at the QB sneak as Jimmy G was though, so I hope we don't rely on that nearly as much as we did with Jimmy in 1-ft or less to go situations.

yeah neither is Sam from what we saw in preseason. it may be a lost art around these parts.

Originally posted by captveg:
Brock is nowhere near as good at the QB sneak as Jimmy G was though, so I hope we don't rely on that nearly as much as we did with Jimmy in 1-ft or less to go situations.

I'm 100% confident JG could sneak a full 99 yards for a TD.

Originally posted by captveg:
Brock is nowhere near as good at the QB sneak as Jimmy G was though, so I hope we don't rely on that nearly as much as we did with Jimmy in 1-ft or less to go situations.

I think Jimmy might be the greatest QB sneaker of all time. Lol I don't think he has ever failed at one. Idk what the hell is secret was but it was impressive.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
My one KS critique is as good as he is with the playsheet, he can call games tight with his decision making. Like the Juice up the gut, then punt in plus territory sequence in the NFCCG. We had a bot in real time telling us, that KS was lowering our win odds as it was happening. He should lean more into the analytics imo. Especially with this talent we have now. Rather see CMC, BA, Kittle out there on 4th down than Moody, or Wish. Plus territory punts should be abolished imo. Punts are voluntary turnovers.

Agree he's too conservative at times, especially in 4th and short situations across the 50.

Let's see if that changes with a QB he trusts and potentially a substandard kicking game. I can't necessarily blame him for not taking chances with Jim back there.

With Jimmy, we gone over all the missed plays.

Kyle trusts all his QBs, but do the QBs trust themselves ?

NYAHAHAHAHAH..... Kyle trusts all his QBs?

He gave up the farm for Lance and gave up on Lance after 4 games ??

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:
You can have your own opinions, but you can't have your own facts my friend. If you don't have facts to back up your opinion, then it's not much of an opinion, in my opinion.

what facts do you have? You're basically calling him our GM and claiming he's a reason why we have the roster we do and are able to hire personnel. That's a HUGE leap compared to what is being said there….your stance is nothing more than opinions all the same

Nope, there are facts out there that Mike's involved in the front office. You don't have *any facts* which disproves that. I"m Not saying Mike's the GM. Clearly John Lynch is tasked with that job. Like I said, this is as close to the Walsh McValy relationship as there is nowadays. You have an experienced former Head Coach being an integral part of the GM-ship (McVay/Mike Shanahan) and you have a brilliant Head Coach in Walsh/Kyle - operating the front office. John and Adams are the grunts and doing a great job in helping advise Kyle, but as you said, Kyle runs the ship the way Walsh ran the ship.

It's a great situation for a 49er fan to be in, because it kind of reminds me of the old days.

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by SLCNiner:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by Giedi:

"I just wanted to have the ability to be able to look at his meetings, to be able to study the film, personnel as well, in his scheme, and be able to stay on top of it because when he did call me up for my opinion, I want at least a chance to give him an educated opinion. Just not talk in generalities, but be able to talk specifics.

"Not that he has to call me very often, but it is fun when we do get a chance to talk, we're talking about scheme or personnel. Usually it's about the things that he can't look at. Maybe you're second or third deep at one position, the scout team, or different things that he may see that he might miss. But he doesn't miss very much, I promise you that."

Mike Shanahan gets his access to the footage about 30 minutes after the recordings are completed. He'll start taking a look at it the next day, usually after waking up at 4 a.m. and heading into his home office with the iPad in hand.

"It's kind of neat for me to have it where when he watches something or sees something, he tells me, 'Hey, you guys should've done this or that.'" Kyle Shanahan said. "I look into it what he says. And it's nice to have another set of eyes. Where, 'Hey, I missed that.' I'll go back and check that. Sometimes I agree with him, sometimes I don't
https://www.49erswebzone.com/news/amp-133108/

Why dont you *prove* to me your point (that he's not a big part of the front office) with some facts.

So it's like Jack harbaugh lol. Come on man, he's not making personnel decisions. He's having convos with his son about football. Kyle is running the ship not old man shanny.

There was a piece that aired last year talking about Mike and how much involvement he has with the team, and it is almost none. Kyle rarely asks his advice on team matters, and Mike doesn't want to be a meddling father.

Link the interveiw then, so we can all get educated.

It wasn't an interview, just a fluff piece about Mike coming back to SF and checking in on the team. But even the quote you posted comes from a video where he said that, you just didn't include it.

"And how much back and forth do you have with Kyle and the things that you see?"

"You know we don't have a lot because I know how busy he is with what you have to do to to get a gameplan ready."

I don't know, doesn't sound like he's a big part of the FO to me, anyway.

Geeze louise, guys, do your own homework, please! Kyle trusts his dad. If he has questions or concerns, he'll talk to his dad about it. I"m sure that included Trey's evaluations and so on. Now, again, I'm not saying Mike is the defacto GM. John is, but John's been quoted many times that he also relies on the advice of Mike when he's doing his job.

"I don't want just anyone to talk to Jimmy about football," Kyle Shanahan said Tuesday at the NFL owners meeting. "I want somebody who knows what he's talking about, so it was cool. They'd just turn on games and watch stuff and just talk. It wasn't him teaching our offense or anything.
https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/how-49ers-kyle-shanahans-dad-mike-helped-rehabbing-jimmy-garoppolo/1261396/

This is how John got hired as GM of the 49ers.

You've probably heard this story — or some variation of it — before. Still, it's always interesting to hear John Lynch share how he decided to step away from his role as a broadcaster and into the demanding role of the San Francisco 49ers general manager.
[...]
"I think people equated that I knew Kyle real well," Lynch added. "I didn't. When I was playing for the Broncos (for Kyle's father, Mike Shanahan), he was off at college. I knew his dad really well.
"Kyle called after (the playoff game) and said, 'Hey, that was nice. I appreciate it. My family told me what you said.' And I just said, 'Hey man, I meant that. That was genuine. I wouldn't have said it had I not (meant it).' And I said, 'It looks like you're going to get one of these jobs. I just wish you luck. I think you did a tremendous job this year.'"
https://www.49erswebzone.com/articles/147321-john-lynch-shares-story-what-drew-49ers-shanahan/

I'm reading that to basically say Mike Shanahan was instrumental in getting John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan together to see if there could be a possible GM relationship there with Kyle.