Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by boast:
Originally posted by 9moon:
Originally posted by boast:
lol the "Kyle mismanaged Trey" narrative creeping back in again. dudes cant accept that maybe he just wasnt good enough to QB this team even as a back-up at his time.
let. it. go.
WHY. not be consistent all around... how much more must we give Kinlaw a chance ??
Kinlaw's not a QB. false equivalence much?
Yet, they both share similarities
yet there's absolutely no reason to cut him. have there been any trade offers?
Why keep someone who has little to no Impact on the game? Cut ties and move on.
go ask Kris Kocurek. i'm sure he knows why Kinlaw is still on the roster.
the SHANNYGANS will continue to support whatever decision Kyle makes and point to somebody else to BLAME..
COMEDY.. lol
I'll admit to being a bit of a Kyle homer, but I'm really not sure there was anything else he could've done once Lance was drafted to get him to the place he needed to be (if you can accept that drafting Lance was ok, and not a Kyle mistake, then let's proceed with analysis).....
Shanahan was transparent about redshirting him year 1, and most people agreed that was worth doing given the state of the roster/team.
Then year 2, Shanahan names him starter and tried to trade Jimmy and failed. Even with Garoppolo available, Kyle still stuck to his guns with Lance as day 1 starter. Not a hint of benching him after that crazy first game. Gets hurt in a really unfortunate fashion.......and at that point, this story ends since there was nothing that Kyle could do anymore.
So if we're going to nitpick here, then it's about how he was used in 2021 and 2022. In 2021 they had those spot moments for Lance to jump in and do stuff, and for the most part he did. It's wild to think the first TD pass of his rookie career was the first TD pass for the 49ers too. Teammates felt the back/forth was not ideal (and many many decades of NFL experience tells us this as well). Shanahan OBLIGES, and Lance doesn't see action until Jimmy gets hurt, and then starts against AZ (I forget the nature of Jimmy's injury against Seattle).
The Cardinals were resembling a top team at the time, perhaps dominant. So Lance overall looked ok, maybe out of sorts somewhat, but way better than Malik Jackson's first NFL start in 2022 (which if we're being fair is Josh Johnson in NFC Championship game level play). Lance got hurt in this game and then we didn't see him until Houston.
There was also the preseason injury I think in 2021.
Man, I really do think Lance was unlucky. Either that, or he might not be suited for this league from an injury standpoint, more than even his QB playmaking skill.
There's a duality to the situation Lance was drafted in:
a) Top picks usually go to s**tty teams, and hence don't have the support and can often bust if they don't truly have it (guys like Andrew Luck and Trevor Lawrence are those rare guys who overcame everything). Maybe think Alex Smith going to the 49ers as a good example.
b) Top picks that go to great teams (super rare), have a unique problem - expectations are very high given the state of the roster/coaching, so redshirt or not, at some point one will be expected to be the man, one way or another. Lance was expected to deliver for the 49ers far faster than if he went to Jaguars, Jets, Bears.
Kyle could've made Lance play the entire 2021 season, essentially give up that expected NFC Championship Game appearance (assuming what we think of Lance now was always going to be true), but maybe you get a real glimpse if he had it or not. If Lance was always injury prone, then Garoppolo certainly would've seen action. If not, we would've gotten a full season of him and have 1000x better idea of what we know now, which is still s**t.
And maybe you risked alienating Garoppolo doing this, and perhaps the risk was you would lose Jimmy and Trey wasn't worth the trade up. So you would've needed to at least given him a second season and ship Garoppolo.
In true hindsight, making a trade of that nature, you gotta go all in completely. I feel Kyle was willing to do that, but felt sitting a year was best decision (I tend to agree), it's just unfortunate everybody got dealt a bad hand.
I'm willing to hear out Kyle screwed this up..........but respectfully, I need to know *HOW* he should've handled the situation differently.
Like others have said here, had Purdy truly been average, we wouldn't be having this conversation, and Lance would still be a Niner and most likely even starter.
Purdy being drafted as last pick of the draft indicates to me they saw purely potential in him, perhaps as a long term backup to Lance once Jimmy was gone. This was unlike the Kirk Cousins pick where RG3 was totally not desired by the Shanahans , and thus was an insurance pick that worked out really well. I can't see Purdy being chosen as Lance insurance, esp. considering at the time you had Jimmy.
It's such a unique situation (even Lance being picked by a super bowl team is super freaking rare in SB era.... I can't think of another loaded team picking a QB top 5 , can you?), and then you add the strange Jimmy storylines and the craziest diamond in the rough QB find possibly since Brady (fingers crossed!!!!).
Please tell me that this analysis is all off and biased, I'll listen.
