Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Originally posted by tankle104:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
Moving all in on Jimmy after 5 games should be on that list imo. Wanting to moving the 2nd overall pick for Kirk (apparently) was a bit extreme also.
there were misses all over the place at QB. The whole process that got them to Lance and how it was handled was a mess. Now handing the keys to a loaded roster to Brock? I mean I'm here for it and to see where it goes…but overall it's been a lot of head scratching stuff at that position.
I also don't want a GM that's unwilling to listen to kyle. There's got to be cohesiveness there, like all the great regimes.
overall I'm complaining about one thing, it's been a bunch of good & we're in a great spot.
Jimmy contract was completely normal in my opinion. It was the timing of his FA, and the fact that he played really well and almost immediately helped reset the culture around the team. Of course they signed him. So would a traditional GM.
I'd agree to add in that trade for Cousins if it is actually real. It's the first we're hearing of it now and I'm not sold that it's legitimate just yet.
Brock played great… absolutely nothing odd about their decision to roll with him, and they did buy some insurance in any case.
Maybe I'm in the minority but I don't think the jimmy contract was a big deal. He may not of lived up to it but it isn't like he was terrible either. When he was healthy, we made it to the NFCC/Super bowl. Regardless of if someone wants to argue if he was good or not, he wasn't bad. He really helped with our culture, the guys loved him. He helped us win a lot of games by doing little things right at qb. He was limited overall but still good as a whole. Best qb we've had in a long long time, IMO. He also handled the whole qb situation as well as you could of asked him to, even when it was probably pretty embarrassing and eventually hopeless for him. Especially when you compare it to how Lance handled it when he didn't win the backup spot, immediately wanted out.
in other words, he didn't live up to the contact but he didn't drastically underplay it either. He was paid like a top 5-8 qb most years and I'd say he was in the 9-12 range for the most part.
id agree that it was a miss as a whole but wasn't a terrible miss. The Lance trade up/selection was horrific, an easy F-. I'd grade the jimmy situation as a B- or B. At least SOMETHING good came from jimmy and he helped us win a lot of games.
If we could go back and rewrite that contract, you'd probably want some injury clauses in there for some bonus reductions. What the 49ers and ShanaLynch didn't know at the time was Jimmy's atrocious durability. If not for Jimmy's durability issues, he'd still be the 49ers QB. And no Brock Purdy or Trey Lance, in my opinion. Jimmy is only 31, so if he was 100% healthy, I'd say Kyle wouldn't be in the market for a new QB at least until 2025.
I'd agree with you on this but I think there is more to this story than we know, and probably won't find out until someone writes a book or so. I think Jimmy frustrated Kyle, and vice versa, more than we know. I think they had a lot of friction and see the game different - I also think jimmy wanted more control and influence over the offense and Kyle didn't trust him to do it, cause they saw it all differently. I'm not saying either is right or wrong, I just don't think it was the best personality match.
i think Brock and Kyle are a lot more cohesive and confident in each other and the way they see the game. That's just my guess and interpretation.
Kyle's had that same *control* issue with Matt Ryan, and one reason is that Matt Ryan wanted to stay with some of what he learned from the previous offense. Keep in mind this offense Jimmy's was in wasn't his first offense. Jimmy came from the Bill Belichick offense:
[Wikipedia]The Patriots run a modified "Ron Erhardt-Ray Perkins" offensive system[1] first installed by Charlie Weis under Bill Belichick. Both Ron Erhardt and Ray Perkins served as offensive assistant coaches under the defensive-minded Chuck Fairbanks while he was head coach of the Patriots in the 1970s.[1] This system is known for its multiple formation and personnel grouping variations on a core number of base plays. Under this system, each formation and each play are separately numbered. Additional word descriptions further modify each play.
Basically the offense Jimmy came from is more of a 4 and 5 wide offense with the running attack not being predominant. It's not a run first offense like Kyle's offense. I think that Jimmy just didn't know or didn't have a knack for the offense like Purdy did. Personally, I think
Jimmy was just slow in learning this complicated offense. Just my opinion, of course.