49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Well given the incredible evidence Woo provided (Geno Smith throwing an interception during the 2022 playoff game)... no, I wouldn't blame that on Stafford.

that was an all timer, yeah pretty sure Stafford is blameless on that Geno INT

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Brock was lights out yet the 49ers punted the same amount of times in the second half and they had 2 punts in the first half when the Rams had none.

The Rams were much better on third down, and the TOD was a run play that got stuffed.

I've been as complimentary about Brock as anyone this season, but to diminish how well Stafford played is ridiculous.

5 yards per completion is not good.

The INTs were not good passes.

People are saying this isn't on Stafford?

This was on the receiver because at the point of break he drifted up, if he read the coverage (man) and the pocket closing, he should have come back to the ball. By drifting up he allowed our DB to undercut him and make the interception. The WR should have

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Brock was lights out yet the 49ers punted the same amount of times in the second half and they had 2 punts in the first half when the Rams had none.

The Rams were much better on third down, and the TOD was a run play that got stuffed.

I've been as complimentary about Brock as anyone this season, but to diminish how well Stafford played is ridiculous.

5 yards per completion is not good.

The INTs were not good passes.

People are saying this isn't on Stafford?

Only 9er fans make excuses for other teams QB's. It's the damnest thing. LOL

Oh don't you start your double standards now

Well given the incredible evidence Woo provided (Geno Smith throwing an interception during the 2022 playoff game)... no, I wouldn't blame that on Stafford.

LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

This is the same Niner Talk that counts almost INTs against Purdy and is now excusing actual INTs from Stafford.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

This is the same Niner Talk that counts almost INTs against Purdy and is now excusing actual INTs from Stafford.

Purdy doesn't throw almost INTs tho

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

This is the same Niner Talk that counts almost INTs against Purdy and is now excusing actual INTs from Stafford.

It's about, how the play goes down, the context of it. QB isn't easy. Sometimes you throw prior to the break, and the dude runs a wrong route, pick six and you look like an idiot. And in the postgame, you can't even say he ran the wrong route, you have to wear it, for your teammate. That's football. Mahomes got pick sixed, that was an easy one, clanged off Toney's hands. It's okay to have dif opinions of a play tho, that's what makes for good discussion

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

This is the same Niner Talk that counts almost INTs against Purdy and is now excusing actual INTs from Stafford.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
LOL, wrong link, my bad.

Here is a link to the play.
https://sports.yahoo.com/cant-miss-play-lenoir-snags-230854712.html

Not sure why anyone is excusing this poor throw and decision.

Woo, not only did the broadcaster in real time let you know the reason the throw was excused, but multiple ppl in this thread have done so also. I think Sanchez drew a literal diagram to explain it. You are allowed to disagree, sure. But let's not say that you don't understand the other point of view. You gonna say you don't understand what Sanchez was communicating when he drew you a picture of it? Come on Woo

This is the same Niner Talk that counts almost INTs against Purdy and is now excusing actual INTs from Stafford.

It's about, how the play goes down, the context of it. QB isn't easy. Sometimes you throw prior to the break, and the dude runs a wrong route, pick six and you look like an idiot. And in the postgame, you can't even say he ran the wrong route, you have to wear it, for your teammate. That's football. Mahomes got pick sixed, that was an easy one, clanged off Toney's hands. It's okay to have dif opinions of a play tho, that's what makes for good discussion

I gave Jimmy a lot of credit for his game vs the Falcons last year.

While some might look at the results of that game/his numbers/picks he threw that game, I felt he made a several very nice throws that either were dropped or called back.

The point is, you can't just look at the numbers or the win/loss record to accurately judge a QBs performance week by week.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I gave Jimmy a lot of credit for his game vs the Falcons last year.

While some might look at the results of that game/his numbers/picks he threw that game, I felt he made a several very nice throws that either were dropped or called back.

The point is, you can't just look at the numbers or the win/loss record to accurately judge a QBs performance week by week.

Yessir, that's a good example WB, I agree

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I gave Jimmy a lot of credit for his game vs the Falcons last year.

While some might look at the results of that game/his numbers/picks he threw that game, I felt he made a several very nice throws that either were dropped or called back.

The point is, you can't just look at the numbers or the win/loss record to accurately judge a QBs performance week by week.

Its why qbr and passer ratings suck

gotta use efficiency metrics

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Its why qbr and passer ratings suck

gotta use efficiency metrics

I like the eye test

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
I gave Jimmy a lot of credit for his game vs the Falcons last year.

While some might look at the results of that game/his numbers/picks he threw that game, I felt he made a several very nice throws that either were dropped or called back.

The point is, you can't just look at the numbers or the win/loss record to accurately judge a QBs performance week by week.

Yessir, that's a good example WB, I agree

I agree too. The other problem that I see a lot is that people tell whatever story they want with certain stats - you have to take in the entire body of work, good and bad. To truly evaluate players. Especially in football, where it's a true team sport/dynamic.

im sure I'm guilty of it at times too but it's important to be conscious of it. I never understood the people who say Jimmy sucked, that doesn't make any sense. You can say you don't look at him as a good qb (aka then he is mediocre), but to say bad - is odd. He did a lot of things really well and a lot of things very poorly. I just view him as an above average qb in this league, which sucks cause I had a lot to hope for him. You can win a lot of games with him with the right team around him, but you're screwed if the team isn't playing super well.

anyways. I'm glad we have Brock and the trust kyle has shown in him. Going for it on the last play before the half against the rams, instead of kicking the field goal, was freakin awesome. When those kind of plays work, they're major major game changers - especially early in the season. Generate so much confidence in the players.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Its why qbr and passer ratings suck

gotta use efficiency metrics

I like the eye test

Same, if you know what to look for - it's usually evident.

Originally posted by tankle104:
Same, if you know what to look for - it's usually evident.

The good thing is there's so much content available to a fan where a pro will be analyzing and explaining film... like JTO's channel for example. You don't have to know what you are looking at when someone holds your hand. But it takes a lot more effort than reading box scores or researching surface level analytics.

You cannot get a real read on play from statistics. They can point you in a direction to research further with film and that's about it.