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Originally posted by jeepzilla:
This keeps coming up.. 6 years deals

How many years did chip Kelly and Jim tomsula have?

How many did they deserve? Tomsula had no business being a coordinator, let alone a head coach. The book was out on Chip Kelly and his offense and although it could still produce, we had the worst defense in franchise history. We had to blow this up and do it right and it starts with a new regime and bringing continuity. Baalke absolutely had to go and there was no way Chip was going to stay with a new GM coming in so Chip being out after just one is a reflection of our record AND our former GM having to go.
[ Edited by Sims19849ers on Oct 23, 2017 at 11:23 AM ]
Originally posted by CoachMike:
I attempted to explain the inevitable last week before it happened. It was not well received. Someone referred to me as "braniac" because "I could not understand we are only six months into a rebuilding process". First, we are 3.5 years into a rebuilding process we were told would start with Harbaugh leaving. This is an old marketing strategy used by teams like the Jets and Cleveland and Raiders until lucrative move to Vegas was on the horizon. York has been told by his silicone valley "geniuses" with lap tops doing their thinking for them that it is more lucrative to always be in this mode than actually paying for players that one could win with like a QB. OL or DB impact player. This organization is not run by football people and that is why Harbaugh left. Lynch is a more personable Matt Millen and KS has no experience as a head coach. It will be cheaper to replace both in 3 years than pay enough players to win. Lastly, it is hard to argue we would not be farther along in the "rebuilding" process if we had kept Chip Kelly, given him his choice of QB's that were available, shored up the OL and paid some receivers that do not have hands like feet and hired a competent defensive coordinator. A lot of 49er fans were fooled by the spate of "close games" but as I pointed out those games were not close. They were a combination of teams playing down to the level of competition then putting the inferior team away as needed. I began to see this when serviceable players like Quentin Dial and Ahmad Brooks were let go. The end result is we again have become a team no one wants to play for especially after the way Navorro Bowman was treated to save a few bucks. To be viable as a team you must be able to demonstrate the ability to win games at some point. My point now is the same as before yesterday; this team is not getting better and the players are not better than past few years. Kirk Cousins would be a meaningless addition with that defense.The Yorks have gaffled (some of) us again.

I can't say that I agree with hardly a single thing you said here. Harbaugh was a head case. While I certainly appreciate what he accomplished, short of losing a Super Bowl that is, I wasn't sorry to see him go. Tomsula was overmatched and I never liked the Kelly hire. The team is playing better than they did under Kelly though that obviously isn't reflected in the standings. No question that they took a huge step backwards yesterday but to my mind that is just all part of the process this year. First time coaches, first time GM, a talent depleted roster with a lot of young players. There is going to be a steep learning curve for all of these guys but I haven't seen anything yet this year that suggests they don't have a good chance of getting where they want to go.

There was some real innovative play design on the offense yesterday. Beathard took a beating but hung there in and hopefully learned a few things that will help him in the future. the team didn't look like it quit and seemed to be battling on just about every possession. Bill Walsh said that you can scheme offense but that you need talent on defense. Obviously they are still going to need more help on that side of the ball but it's not all going to happen in one year. The jury is still out on Saleh but I don't have any real complaints about Lynch and Shanahan at this point. The team wasn't going to go anywhere this year so I can honestly say that their record doesn't bother me at all. I see a lot of things to like in what they are doing offensively. It's a young team across the board and they all need to learn what it takes to win in this league so this season will be a huge test and lesson for them. Hopefully they'll come out on the other side with the experience and determination they need to be better next year. Go Niners!!
Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Originally posted by jeepzilla:
This keeps coming up.. 6 years deals

How many years did chip Kelly and Jim tomsula have?

How many did they deserve? Tomsula had no business being a coordinator, let alone a head coach. The book was on Chip Kelly and his offense and although it could still produce, we had the worst defense in franchise history. We had to blow this up and do it right and it starts with a new regime and bringing continuity. Baalke absolutely had to go and there was no way Chip was going to stay with a new GM coming in so Chip being out after just one is a reflection of our record AND our former GM having to go.

a big part of the reason for our '16 D being so bad was the constant 3 and out's and lack of production offensively.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They dont give two s**ts about '17

They have 6 year deals for a reason

They have lucrative six year deals because of desperation on the part of York and that being what it takes to hire anyone the fans might go for. It is also cheaper to keep hiring new coaches and GM's than it is to pay enough good players to win with.The players Lynch brought in are simply not that good, washed up or not durable enough for NFL like Reuben Foster. I agree it is really risky to go 0-16 because losing is a hard habit to break; see Jets and Cleveland. The overall value of an NFL franchise does not seem to be impacted by losing. The Yorks are in it for the money and have made plenty of it without winning.
It's going to be so embarrassing when he finishes the year with less wins than Tomsula. Lol this team blows hard.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i guess those fans aren't real die hards then

Exactly. If people can't figure out what's happening here and stick it out then they were never real fans in the first place.
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Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They dont give two s**ts about '17

They have 6 year deals for a reason

if your theory is true., that is a risky game, to go 0- 16 and hope you can get people back in the stands let alone good players who want to come here, that is why i say. maybe even unknowingly, there is a real disconnect that has been going on in the last three years with this team and the fan base.. and it does not look like its getting any better but worse

As time goes on the fan base which was connected to the glory years will die off and they are not getting any new fans with this s**t. So jed becomes a sjw in desperation to get new blood to suck.
Thus the world class wi-fi....
Originally posted by jcs:
Originally posted by Young2Rice:
Originally posted by cciowa:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They dont give two s**ts about '17

They have 6 year deals for a reason

if your theory is true., that is a risky game, to go 0- 16 and hope you can get people back in the stands let alone good players who want to come here, that is why i say. maybe even unknowingly, there is a real disconnect that has been going on in the last three years with this team and the fan base.. and it does not look like its getting any better but worse

As time goes on the fan base which was connected to the glory years will die off and they are not getting any new fans with this s**t. So jed becomes a sjw in desperation to get new blood to suck.
Thus the world class wi-fi....

And gourmet nachos.
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Originally posted by TheXFactor:
Originally posted by Sims19849ers:
Originally posted by jeepzilla:
This keeps coming up.. 6 years deals

How many years did chip Kelly and Jim tomsula have?

How many did they deserve? Tomsula had no business being a coordinator, let alone a head coach. The book was on Chip Kelly and his offense and although it could still produce, we had the worst defense in franchise history. We had to blow this up and do it right and it starts with a new regime and bringing continuity. Baalke absolutely had to go and there was no way Chip was going to stay with a new GM coming in so Chip being out after just one is a reflection of our record AND our former GM having to go.

a big part of the reason for our '16 D being so bad was the constant 3 and out's and lack of production offensively.

If you actually look at the statistics KS's Offense is on the field less than Chips....
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
i guess those fans aren't real die hards then

Exactly. If people can't figure out what's happening here and stick it out then they were never real fans in the first place.

I don't understand what people expected this year? Didn't everyone agree we were gonna be pretty bad? I think i said 3-5 wins MAX but i favored around 3 because our schedule is tough. People who thought 8-8 were smoking crack.

Our roster is horrific.

I get it, I want to win 1 game lol If we go 0-16 we will all be livid, but just look at this roster. My guess is we still pull off 1-2 wins.
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They dont give two s**ts about '17

They have 6 year deals for a reason
No one can afford to write of an entire year without showing any sign of progress.
[ Edited by CoachMike on Oct 23, 2017 at 11:36 AM ]
They have 6 year contracts but if they're not winning a few years down the road York will cut those contracts short just like he did with Kelly, Tomsula. Like Nolan he's got 4 realistically.
Originally posted by tjd808185:
They have 6 year contracts but if they're not winning a few years down the road York will cut those contracts short just like he did with Kelly, Tomsula. Like Nolan he's got 4 realistically.

Agreed. I would suspect next year better be 4wins+ and looking positive.
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Originally posted by tjd808185:
They have 6 year contracts but if they're not winning a few years down the road York will cut those contracts short just like he did with Kelly, Tomsula. Like Nolan he's got 4 realistically.

Realistically it's 3 with the Yorks....Harbs set the mark with 4 years and he took us to 3 NFC championship games before getting fired.
Originally posted by CoachMike:
Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
They dont give two s**ts about '17

They have 6 year deals for a reason
No one can afford to write of an entire year without showing any sign of progress.

Ive seen signs of progress, not my fault if don't.
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