49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
I mentioned this. And I also mentioned looking at our losses and close games with this in mind. It's worse, not better.

You mean our 3 losses in over 365 days?

im sorry your logic makes no sense the stats you're hammering down are dominated by the worst offenses in the league

The pateiots have the best second to play in nfll of only we had an offense like there's

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
Our defense faces two more plays per game than our offense plays. For a team that is + in the turnover battle, this would normally mean that either our offense is underperfoming, or our defense is. Since our offense is performing well, that can only mean that our defense is not getting off the field as well as they should. This has been apparent in our losses, which I think SmokeyJoe is alluding to. Good teams have been able to drive up and down the field on our defense, and we've been pretty terrible at defending third downs consistently. Things have been better since the bye, but I'm still a bit worried about this Wilkes defense that has allowed some teams to drive down our throats.

Or it means we built up a huge lead and got conservative

this logic only works implying a close game

also again we are one of the top ranked team in yards/play so teams haven't been driving down our throats

In the games we've struggled, teams have absolutely driven down our throats in methodical time eating drives that kept our high-powered offense off the field for long stretches. Did you miss the entire fanbase collectively wanting to fire our D coordinator midseason? Does that tend to happen to guys whose units are playing well?

Originally posted by Chance:
In the games we've struggled, teams have absolutely driven down our throats in methodical time eating drives that kept our high-powered offense off the field for long stretches. Did you miss the entire fanbase collectively wanting to fire our D coordinator midseason? Does that tend to happen to guys whose units are playing well?

He didn't miss it. He responded in the same way he is now which is creating a straw man argument and ignoring relevant data while focusing on a stat he cited. Not hard to notice him glaze over any follow up to his posts and continuing to yammer about a point nobody is arguing.

'The pateiots have the best second to play in nfll of only we had an offense like there's'

lol. Just nonsense. He admittedly didn't even understand the stat existed. Now he's going to pretend he understands the relevance of it

Originally posted by Chance:
In the games we've struggled, teams have absolutely driven down our throats in methodical time eating drives that kept our high-powered offense off the field for long stretches. Did you miss the entire fanbase collectively wanting to fire our D coordinator midseason? Does that tend to happen to guys whose units are playing well?

In the games we struggled

you can say that about any team that's like saying chiefs scored like 10 points against the broncos?

you have to take the whole season into account that's like saying apart from the games we struggled we have the best defense in history shutting down cowboys and jaguars

Originally posted by ritz126:
In the games we struggled

you can say that about any team that's like saying chiefs scored like 10 points against the broncos?

you have to take the whole season into account that's like saying apart from the games we struggled we have the best defense in history shutting down cowboys and jaguars

Except I'm talking about noticeable patters we've seen against good teams (specifically teams with good offenses).

You can cite year long statistics all day long but we aren't playing the Kenny Pickett led Steelers offense, or the Giants, Cards, and Bucs late in January.

And maybe we'll turn a corner and those negative patterns we saw will change for the better. We'll see pretty fast here.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Except I'm talking about noticeable patters we've seen against good teams (specifically teams with good offenses).

You can cite year long statistics all day long but we aren't playing the Kenny Pickett led Steelers offense, or the Giants, Cards, and Bucs late in January.

And maybe we'll turn a corner and those negative patterns we saw will change for the better. We'll see pretty fast here.

So your argument is it's harder to beat good teams?

Originally posted by ritz126:
So your argument is it's harder to beat good teams?

Lol. Exactly. And I'm pointing out a way in which we can help ourselves do that instead of arguably making it harder*. Crazy concept.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Chance:
In the games we've struggled, teams have absolutely driven down our throats in methodical time eating drives that kept our high-powered offense off the field for long stretches. Did you miss the entire fanbase collectively wanting to fire our D coordinator midseason? Does that tend to happen to guys whose units are playing well?

He didn't miss it. He responded in the same way he is now which is creating a straw man argument and ignoring relevant data while focusing on a stat he cited. Not hard to notice him glaze over any follow up to his posts and continuing to yammer about a point nobody is arguing.

'The pateiots have the best second to play in nfll of only we had an offense like there's'

lol. Just nonsense. He admittedly didn't even understand the stat existed. Now he's going to pretend he understands the relevance of it

I understand it it makes no sense there is no correlation between those stats and good offenses

thats stats I posted which are points/drive and yards/play directly correlate with good offense

but if you want to cite seconds/play and plays/game which are ranking the worst offenses on top of those stats

Originally posted by ritz126:
I understand it it makes no sense there is no correlation between those stats and good offenses

thats stats I posted which are points/drive and yards/play directly correlate with good offense

but if you want to cite seconds/play and plays/game which are ranking the worst offenses on top of those stats

You take them all together. Is it really so hard for you to comprehend that when we have the one of the most productive offenses on a per drive or per play basis that it would be to our benefit to increase those opportunities in all ways that we can? One way we can do that is by playing great defense… and that has been surprisingly inconsistent for us this year. Another way we can do that is by moving faster and lengthening the game with our offense. When we play slow, and our defense struggles, we get less opportunities with our all time great offense. Wild!

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by ritz126:
In the games we struggled

you can say that about any team that's like saying chiefs scored like 10 points against the broncos?

you have to take the whole season into account that's like saying apart from the games we struggled we have the best defense in history shutting down cowboys and jaguars

Except I'm talking about noticeable patters we've seen against good teams (specifically teams with good offenses).

You can cite year long statistics all day long but we aren't playing the Kenny Pickett led Steelers offense, or the Giants, Cards, and Bucs late in January.

And maybe we'll turn a corner and those negative patterns we saw will change for the better. We'll see pretty fast here.

Exactly.

I'd go even further and say that these struggles have materialized in games we've ended up winning big.

Against Arizona, we watched Josh Dobbs lead TD drives of 87 and 99 yards while winning the TOP battle. The box score shows a blow-out, but this was a game their offense gained nearly as many yards as ours did. Likewise, Stafford and the Rams won the TOP battle by a wide margin, while outgaining our offense. Our defense had a really hard time getting these lesser opponents of the field. Of course not every game will be perfect, but when these struggles on D materialized against better teams, when guys like Burrows and Cousins carved up our D, when our offense wasn't humming to its standards, those issues were critical in becoming losses.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lol. Exactly. And I'm pointing out a way in which we can help ourselves do that instead of arguably making it harder*. Crazy concept.

Then why are most of the teams ranked high in plays and drive per game and seconds per play competing for a top 10 draft pick?

Originally posted by Chance:
Exactly.

I'd go even further and say that these struggles have materialized in games we've ended up winning big.

Against Arizona, we watched Josh Dobbs lead TD drives of 87 and 99 yards while winning the TOP battle. The box score shows a blow-out, but this was a game their offense gained nearly as many yards as ours did. Likewise, Stafford and the Rams won the TOP battle by a wide margin, while outgaining our offense. Our defense had a really hard time getting these lesser opponents of the field. Of course not every game will be perfect, but when these struggles on D materialized against better teams, when guys like Burrows and Cousins carved up our D, when our offense wasn't humming to its standards, those issues were critical in becoming losses.

And like I mentioned, when you have limited possessions the efficiency requirement for success increases. The margin for mistakes decreases. A drive you lose to an inopportune turnover, or a bad penalty, carries increasing weight the less you have the ball. We might not be able to fix these issues on the defensive side of the ball against good teams, whether the blame falls on Wilks or the players or both… but we don't have to aid it by killing the clock when we have the ball.

Originally posted by ritz126:
Then why are most of the teams ranked high in plays and drive per game and seconds per play competing for a top 10 draft pick?

Look at all the stats involved in the conversation and put them together.

And also understand that we're not those teams. Unless you think we would take a significant efficiency hit by not being the slowest offense in the league this point you're harping on is completely irrelevant. We're slow by choice, not circumstance. Does that choice exist for bad teams who are trying to win games with putrid offenses, or defenses that bury their teams in big deficits? No it doesn't.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Lol. Exactly. And I'm pointing out a way in which we can help ourselves do that instead of arguably making it harder*. Crazy concept.

Then why are most of the teams ranked high in plays and drive per game and seconds per play competing for a top 10 draft pick?

Not that one should engage in your bad faithed argument as no one is arguing that these stats correlate to wins and losses, just that they are part of telling a larger story, but you aren't even correct in your faulty premise.

League leader in plays per game:
1) Browns 7-3
2) Saints 5-5
3) Lions 8-2
4) Eagles 9-1
5) Cowboys 7-3

None of those teams are competing for the top pick in the draft last I checked.

Originally posted by Chance:
Exactly.

I'd go even further and say that these struggles have materialized in games we've ended up winning big.

Against Arizona, we watched Josh Dobbs lead TD drives of 87 and 99 yards while winning the TOP battle. The box score shows a blow-out, but this was a game their offense gained nearly as many yards as ours did. Likewise, Stafford and the Rams won the TOP battle by a wide margin, while outgaining our offense. Our defense had a really hard time getting these lesser opponents of the field. Of course not every game will be perfect, but when these struggles on D materialized against better teams, when guys like Burrows and Cousins carved up our D, when our offense wasn't humming to its standards, those issues were critical in becoming losses.

The browns allowed 38 points to the colts24 to Seahawks etc

I mean taking a few games out of a season let alone a drive does not make sense I could easily cherry pick and game or two but that's not how you analyze a unit

I mean making an argument our D is problematic because we let Josh dobbs score a TD in a game we won 36 to 16

i mean objectively you don't realize how ridiculous this sounds?