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Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Chance:
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
Conversely we have the sixth fewest offensive plays per game. In fact, our opponents are averaging over two more plays per game, and that number is more pronounced in games we've struggled. Our defense has had issues getting the opposition off the field on third downs, and have allowed QBs like Stafford, Cousins, and Burrows to march up and down the field, negating our pass rush with quick hitters that are open because our scheme has been s**t at times. Are we really trying to claim that there hasn't been issues with our defensive scheme?
Originally posted by tankle104:.
Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
That is shocking to me. I feel like they were on the field a ton in the rams, bengals, browns, minnesota games etc. they couldn't get off on third down.
I figured they would have way more snaps than that
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.
I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?
I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.
They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.
Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.
Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.
Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.
How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?
I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.
So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by tankle104:.
Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
That is shocking to me. I feel like they were on the field a ton in the rams, bengals, browns, minnesota games etc. they couldn't get off on third down.
I figured they would have way more snaps than that
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Chance:
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
Conversely we have the sixth fewest offensive plays per game. In fact, our opponents are averaging over two more plays per game, and that number is more pronounced in games we've struggled. Our defense has had issues getting the opposition off the field on third downs, and have allowed QBs like Stafford, Cousins, and Burrows to march up and down the field, negating our pass rush with quick hitters that are open because our scheme has been s**t at times. Are we really trying to claim that there hasn't been issues with our defensive scheme?
Poor tackling has been the bigger culprit than anything else on defense. We have 67 missed tackles in 10 games this season. We are on pace for 114 this season. Last season we had a total of 90.
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.
I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?
I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.
They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.
Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.
Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.
Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.
How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?
I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.
So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?
Our defensive scheme showed signs of issues in our wins VS Rams and Cardinals as well where we lost the TOP battle and had a hard time getting stops on third down. The talent alone on defense has been able to mask some of these issues, as has our historically efficient offense, but make no mistake, if we continued to give teams easy completions, good team and QBs will exploit that. Gotta get the opposition off the field and maximize the opportunities this efficient offense has and we'll be unstoppable in the playoffs.
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Chance:
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
Conversely we have the sixth fewest offensive plays per game. In fact, our opponents are averaging over two more plays per game, and that number is more pronounced in games we've struggled. Our defense has had issues getting the opposition off the field on third downs, and have allowed QBs like Stafford, Cousins, and Burrows to march up and down the field, negating our pass rush with quick hitters that are open because our scheme has been s**t at times. Are we really trying to claim that there hasn't been issues with our defensive scheme?
Poor tackling has been the bigger culprit than anything else on defense. We have 67 missed tackles in 10 games this season. We are on pace for 114 this season. Last season we had a total of 90.
Part of the problem, sure. It's never just one thing. Clearly, though Wilke's scheme was altered at the bye because something wasn't working with it. Clearly, there were issues with the personnel, because that changed. Clearly there was issues with the motivation because Wilkes moved down from the booth. The Jags game showed that these cumulative changes worked in the short term. Let's hope it carries over for the rest of the season. This defense is too good to be mediocre.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.
I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?
I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.
They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.
Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.
Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.
Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.
How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?
I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.
So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?
Our defensive scheme showed signs of issues in our wins VS Rams and Cardinals as well where we lost the TOP battle and had a hard time getting stops on third down. The talent alone on defense has been able to mask some of these issues, as has our historically efficient offense, but make no mistake, if we continued to give teams easy completions, good team and QBs will exploit that. Gotta get the opposition off the field and maximize the opportunities this efficient offense has and we'll be unstoppable in the playoffs.
Yup. We can do better on 3rd down. We have allowed exactly 1 more 3rd down conversion per game than the #1 defense in that category.
Originally posted by YACBros85:
It may not be the only thing but it certainly has been the biggest thing.
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by tankle104:.
Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
That is shocking to me. I feel like they were on the field a ton in the rams, bengals, browns, minnesota games etc. they couldn't get off on third down.
I figured they would have way more snaps than that
whoopsie daisy?
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.
I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?
I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.
They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.
Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.
Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.
Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.
How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?
I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.
So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?
Our defensive scheme showed signs of issues in our wins VS Rams and Cardinals as well where we lost the TOP battle and had a hard time getting stops on third down. The talent alone on defense has been able to mask some of these issues, as has our historically efficient offense, but make no mistake, if we continued to give teams easy completions, good team and QBs will exploit that. Gotta get the opposition off the field and maximize the opportunities this efficient offense has and we'll be unstoppable in the playoffs.
Yup. We can do better on 3rd down. We have allowed exactly 1 more 3rd down conversion per game than the #1 defense in that category.
Uh, wrong...
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversions-per-game
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by ritz126:
Originally posted by tankle104:.
Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl
only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.
That is shocking to me. I feel like they were on the field a ton in the rams, bengals, browns, minnesota games etc. they couldn't get off on third down.
I figured they would have way more snaps than that
whoopsie daisy?
No i was going to say this entire conversation is irrelevant because we have had the least amount of drives against us. There have been 103 drives against us which is the lowest in NFL
So not only are we allowing the 8th (not 7th) in defensive plays we also have the fewest amount of drives against us in the NFL. But i deleted it because this whole conversation makes no sense it isn't a logical discussion so i wanted to end it
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.
I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?
I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.
They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.
Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.
Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.
Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.
How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.
Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?
I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.
So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?
Our defensive scheme showed signs of issues in our wins VS Rams and Cardinals as well where we lost the TOP battle and had a hard time getting stops on third down. The talent alone on defense has been able to mask some of these issues, as has our historically efficient offense, but make no mistake, if we continued to give teams easy completions, good team and QBs will exploit that. Gotta get the opposition off the field and maximize the opportunities this efficient offense has and we'll be unstoppable in the playoffs.
Yup. We can do better on 3rd down. We have allowed exactly 1 more 3rd down conversion per game than the #1 defense in that category.
Uh, wrong...
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversions-per-game
Okay 2 more per game. You act like its a huge gap between them and CLE.
The 49ers are ranked #2 in opponent redzone scoring attempts. But I guess that doesn't matter?
https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game