49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by YACBros85:
The next time a defense gives up zero TD's through 10 games, you let me know. Because that will be one for the record books.

I can see you've not been following along. Who are you even arguing with?

I'd settle for our defense playing more consistently on 3rd downs, giving our offense more opportunities, instead of this Jekyll and Hyde b******t.

They are #1 in TD's allowed this season but folks are unsatisfied and seems will continue to be unsatisfied until the 49ers defense does the impossible.

Strawman. No one is asking the impossible. Again, I'd like to see a better scheme that gets more stops on third down. So far, a much better job after the bye, but it's a work in progress.

Me too. I'd like to see a better scheme that has given up less TD's this season. The truth is, there haven't been any.

Again, you're making a strawman to argue against. Enjoy yourself, I'm out.

How is it a strawman argument? Points are a better indicator of wins and losses than yards.

Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.

Do you really think that 0.3 more scoring opportunities a game for the offense is what is going to put us over the top?

I think in the games the defense has struggled to get off the field on third downs, those issues need to be addressed when playoff time rolls around, because a QB that can negate our pass rush by hitting quick hitters, marching down the field, taking over the TOP and keeping our high powered offense on the bench could pose a big issue. Again, there's a reason why this fanbase was up in arms regarding Wilkes. His scheme has been suspect and it was very apparent in our losses, and even in a couple of our wins.

So your assessment is strictly based off the 3 game skid and ignore the 6 dominating wins we've had this year?

Our defensive scheme showed signs of issues in our wins VS Rams and Cardinals as well where we lost the TOP battle and had a hard time getting stops on third down. The talent alone on defense has been able to mask some of these issues, as has our historically efficient offense, but make no mistake, if we continued to give teams easy completions, good team and QBs will exploit that. Gotta get the opposition off the field and maximize the opportunities this efficient offense has and we'll be unstoppable in the playoffs.

Yup. We can do better on 3rd down. We have allowed exactly 1 more 3rd down conversion per game than the #1 defense in that category.

Uh, wrong...

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-third-down-conversions-per-game

Okay 2 more per game. You act like its a huge gap between them and CLE.

The 49ers are ranked #2 in opponent redzone scoring attempts. But I guess that doesn't matter?

https://www.teamrankings.com/nfl/stat/opponent-red-zone-scoring-attempts-per-game

We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

Well keep complaining while the rest of us keep celebrating 2+ possession wins, I guess. If that is how you choose to fan. Have a nice day.

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

I see we've reached the point of ad hominem. Have a good one.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Well keep complaining while the rest of us keep celebrating 2+ possession wins, I guess. If that is how you choose to fan. Have a nice day.

Will do.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.

i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl

only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.

Conversely we have the sixth fewest offensive plays per game. In fact, our opponents are averaging over two more plays per game, and that number is more pronounced in games we've struggled. Our defense has had issues getting the opposition off the field on third downs, and have allowed QBs like Stafford, Cousins, and Burrows to march up and down the field, negating our pass rush with quick hitters that are open because our scheme has been s**t at times. Are we really trying to claim that there hasn't been issues with our defensive scheme?

Great debate!

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

amen, nothing better than a good strong dose, of reality

"No block, no rock."

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by ritz126:
i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl

only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.

That is shocking to me. I feel like they were on the field a ton in the rams, bengals, browns, minnesota games etc. they couldn't get off on third down.

I figured they would have way more snaps than that

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Lol what happened here

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
Because you're creating an argument that no one here is making. Discussing ways the defense can improve and give the offense more opportunities is a valid topic. No need to derail.

i agree but we have the 7th fewest defensive snaps in the nfl

only 6 defenses have been on the field less than us and we have the largest point differential in the NFL so in the 2nd half i bet we are more conservative with our defense.

Conversely we have the sixth fewest offensive plays per game. In fact, our opponents are averaging over two more plays per game, and that number is more pronounced in games we've struggled. Our defense has had issues getting the opposition off the field on third downs, and have allowed QBs like Stafford, Cousins, and Burrows to march up and down the field, negating our pass rush with quick hitters that are open because our scheme has been s**t at times. Are we really trying to claim that there hasn't been issues with our defensive scheme?

Great debate!

I agree, our defense has good stats but there have been times during this year where they've really struggled. I think it's been more scheme than anything. We've been allowing quick passes with huge cushions by our DBs. We've seemed to improve in that. I also think that wilks communication has been better since he's on the side lines.

remmeber, these aren't wilks assistants. He inherited tben. So he's used to having guys thay have been with him for years, so communication probably is much better from the booth with his hand picked guys. You don't have long to communicate changes play to play - so any hiccup and it's a real problem scheme wise, IMO.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

amen, nothing better than a good strong dose, of reality

A dose of reality for anyone who made that counter argument. Not surprised to see you hop on the coattails of a strawman.

Our defense has been mediocre on third downs, and during certain stretches of the year, downright awful. Let's keep the arguments straight.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

amen, nothing better than a good strong dose, of reality

A dose of reality for anyone who made that counter argument. Not surprised to see you hop on the coattails of a strawman.

Our defense has been mediocre on third downs, and during certain stretches of the year, downright awful. Let's keep the arguments straight.

Where is the strawman? make it clear your stance then,
we are #1 in ppg, hardly mediocre, mediocre is your word, is that not your description?
we have been strong most all year, now we had a skid, and yeah BP didn't look great, Moody missed his kick, and btw vs CLE, we held to 19, and the D set up the O with an 8 yd TD drive.. our D was strong that day.
you can probably point to MIN and CIN, but you can point to BP on those as much as the D, lack of TW and ground game, also

Originally posted by tankle104:
Lol what happened here

To address your point they were on the field a ton in those games. The only caveat is in two of the four (Rams/Browns) our offense struggled to convert on 3rd downs which is going to obviously contribute to ToP.

We lost the ToP 'battle' in all of those games and had considerably less plays than our opponents (and our *near* last in the league average).

Originally posted by ritz126:
our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

For comparison purposes, here is where the mediocre 1994 49ers were at the halfway point.

1. September 5 Los Angeles Raiders W 44–14
2. September 11 at Kansas City Chiefs L 17–24
3. September 18 at Los Angeles Rams W 34–19
4. September 25 New Orleans Saints W 24–13
5. October 2 Philadelphia Eagles L 8–40
6. October 9 at Detroit Lions W 27–21
7. October 16 at Atlanta Falcons W 42–3
8. October 23 Tampa Bay Buccaneers W 41–6

Originally posted by TopDogBerkeley:

Originally posted by ritz126:
our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

For comparison purposes, here is where the mediocre 1994 49ers were at the halfway point.

1. September 5 Los Angeles Raiders W 44–14
2. September 11 at Kansas City Chiefs L 17–24
3. September 18 at Los Angeles Rams W 34–19
4. September 25 New Orleans Saints W 24–13
5. October 2 Philadelphia Eagles L 8–40
6. October 9 at Detroit Lions W 27–21
7. October 16 at Atlanta Falcons W 42–3
8. October 23 Tampa Bay Buccaneers W 41–6

I can't imagine the WZ after that Philly game lol

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by ritz126:

Originally posted by Chance:
We are middle of the pack, and probably much worse in the 5 or so games our struggles have been exploited.

Our defense should be right up there with the Browns. We are too talented to be mediocre.

Edit: And 2 per game is a sizeable gap, btw. It's like 60% more, homie.

our defense has allowed more than 23 points 1 time this season but is mediocre

you are delusional

amen, nothing better than a good strong dose, of reality

A dose of reality for anyone who made that counter argument. Not surprised to see you hop on the coattails of a strawman.

Our defense has been mediocre on third downs, and during certain stretches of the year, downright awful. Let's keep the arguments straight.

Where is the strawman? make it clear your stance then,
we are #1 in ppg, hardly mediocre, mediocre is your word, is that not your description?
we have been strong most all year, now we had a skid, and yeah BP didn't look great, Moody missed his kick, and btw vs CLE, we held to 19, and the D set up the O with an 8 yd TD drive.. our D was strong that day.
you can probably point to MIN and CIN, but you can point to BP on those as much as the D, lack of TW and ground game, also

My stance was very clear. Our defense has been mediocre pertaining to third downs. That's what was being discussed. Jesus, it's just so on point for this place to take a single word and start plastering it on the boards pertaining to completely different things. "hE sAiD oUr DeFeNsE IS mEdIoCrE!!!!"