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49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread
Jan 3, 2024 at 5:20 PM
- NYniner85
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No BA is ridiculous
Jan 3, 2024 at 5:21 PM
- SmokeyJoe
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
No BA is ridiculous
Noted by Paraag for negotiation purposes
Jan 3, 2024 at 5:22 PM
- libertyforever
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
9 Pro Bowlers for the 49ers — their most since 2013.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 4, 2024
Nick Bosa
Javon Hargrave
Kyle Juszczyk
George Kittle
Christian McCaffrey
Brock Purdy
Charvarius Ward
Fred Warner
Trent Williams
8 pro bowl starters. Only Hargreaves is not.
[ Edited by libertyforever on Jan 3, 2024 at 5:22 PM ]
Jan 3, 2024 at 6:11 PM
- GoreGoreGore
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Originally posted by libertyforever:
Originally posted by NYniner85:
9 Pro Bowlers for the 49ers — their most since 2013.
— David Lombardi (@LombardiHimself) January 4, 2024
Nick Bosa
Javon Hargrave
Kyle Juszczyk
George Kittle
Christian McCaffrey
Brock Purdy
Charvarius Ward
Fred Warner
Trent Williams
8 pro bowl starters. Only Hargreaves is not.
Hargrave?
Jan 3, 2024 at 6:34 PM
- DRCHOWDER
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Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
Jan 3, 2024 at 6:50 PM
- Hoovtrain
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Originally posted by NYniner85:
No BA is ridiculous
Yeah sucks. But I think it's more a testament to all the other high level WRs that are featured a lot more. Niners have an embarrassment of riches in offense and a top shelf run game
Jan 3, 2024 at 7:09 PM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:This is also football we're talking about. Sometimes the best teams don't always win it.
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
we still need the football gods to be on our sides
Jan 3, 2024 at 7:23 PM
- DonnieDarko
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No deebo no aiyuk for pro bowl
[ Edited by DonnieDarko on Jan 3, 2024 at 7:24 PM ]
Jan 3, 2024 at 7:37 PM
- 49ersGiantspride
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Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
No deebo no aiyuk for pro bowl
Hope they take it personal and light up the opposition in the playoffs
Jan 3, 2024 at 8:38 PM
- DrEll
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Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:This is also football we're talking about. Sometimes the best teams don't always win it.
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
we still need the football gods to be on our sides
Getting ready for the offseason excuses already ?
" We lost because the football gods were not on our sides."
" The other team got lucky breaks."
" Oh well, can't wait for next year. "
Jan 3, 2024 at 9:24 PM
- bassmanr
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
He just needs to make better adjustments when things are not working. Basically take what defense is giving us. When he's ahead don't turn off the heat.
[ Edited by bassmanr on Jan 3, 2024 at 9:25 PM ]
Jan 3, 2024 at 9:27 PM
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
Yeah it has to happen now.
team may have peaked a little early (the streak leading up to Xmas)
missing armstead kind of exposed the middle of the D to an extent that needs to be worked on.
is it just me or does the D look tired? Just seem slower and not in position as much as last year this time.
all that said KS has done a great job this year and it will be epic let down not to get a ring.
Jan 3, 2024 at 9:52 PM
- 49ersRing
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Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
It's entirely possible that one of the other teams is just better than us this year.
Which would be disappointing, because it's unlikely that we'll see a better team than the one we have this year, at least not with this core group.
[ Edited by 49ersRing on Jan 3, 2024 at 9:54 PM ]
Jan 3, 2024 at 11:16 PM
- 49AllTheTime
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Originally posted by DrEll:No excuses, sounds like you haven't watched too much football
Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
Originally posted by DRCHOWDER:This is also football we're talking about. Sometimes the best teams don't always win it.
Kyle to me, barring any significant injuries really has no excuse not to win it all this year. He has a bye week to get his team ready and healthy as well as home field to the Super bowl. The roster is loaded with all pros throughout every position. Anything short of a Super Bowl win would be a failure in my eyes. We've been able to survive the regular season and are going to be relatively healthy to start the playoffs. He is a great coach, but he's going to need to win it all to become a HOF coach. I want him to win it all so bad!! I know us as fans are craving that 6th trophy as well so I hope he can bring it home this year because we don't know what will happen the next year or after that.
we still need the football gods to be on our sides
Getting ready for the offseason excuses already ?
" We lost because the football gods were not on our sides."
" The other team got lucky breaks."
" Oh well, can't wait for next year. "
Jan 4, 2024 at 12:07 AM
- Giedi
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Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Originally posted by Giedi:
Personally, just my take on Kyle's Achillies heel on this offense.
First of all he's really a genius on the offensive side. That's really important for my point to be understood. Secondly his scheme is brilliant. It starts with his zone run. It's an outside run, very similar in concept to Bill Walsh's green bay sweeps, but instead of pulling the OLinemen, he's executing the zone blocking concepts which share *a lot* of the run blocking concepts with the pass protection concepts. I.e. passing the DLinemen to the other guy if you don't have a good blocking angle etc... that's good for the zone run *and* pass blocking too (with regards to stunts and blitzes etc...) The zone run and the naked boot play-action pass *LOOK* the same and so it's hard for linebackers to tell if it's a run or pass, and so his scheme targets them and makes them hesitate - that's why the WR's are so open. It's a VERY explosive offense when it's clicking.
Here's the problem, the zone run requires smaller, athletic, but less powerful offensive linemen. They are cheaper draftwise and capwise, but they can't power a gap blocking north-south run scheme which is what you need in a four minute offense. I.e. his offensive line is too small to power a ground and pound run offense consistently and have to run outside and pretty much stop the clock when the RB steps out of bounds when you are trying to bleed the clock down.
Also, because the offensive line is smaller, longer pass plays aren't able to be consistently executed because the smaller OLinemen can't sustain their pass blocking for a longer period of time that is needed for longer pass plays to develop.
TLDR: Kyle's offense is explosive, but doesn't have the power to generate a clock killing four minute offense in a close game, nor generate a come from behind win because the offensive line is too small.
Great post Giedi, thanks!
Do you think the Eagles OL can run Kyle's scheme while also being powerful for gap runs?
I'm curious if we can slowly upgrade the OL to be truly dominant or if we're capped price wise.
The Eagle OLine is definitely talented. To a certain extent it can do some zone blocking, but not on a consistent level as a smaller more agile line would. The Eagle offensive line is big - and powerful. It's more suited for a gap/power scheme in my opinion. But yes, they can do some outside zone blocking, but that's more a counter to their main bread and butter gap/power scheme. Kyle does gap/power blocking too, but as a counter to their main bread and butter - the zone run (outside and inside). I don't watch a lot of Eagle games, so I could be dead wrong on what I just said.
I've noticed that Kyle's OLInes have been getting bigger as the season progresses. Feliciano, Pryor and Bartch are *bigger* than Kyle's usual 300lb OLinemen. So I think he knows the future - with Brock - is towards more Gap Power and a more Pass First kind of offense. I don't think he'll ever get away from the outside/inside zone runs, but instead of - say - 80% outside zone 20% gap/power, it will be more like 50% gap/power and 50% outside/inside zone runs. Kyle's offense will always be a run-centric offense, in a sense, because it powers his explosive misdirection plays. But because of Brock's skillset - i.e. Brock's pinpoint accuracy - that will enable Kyle to reduce the run component to a great extent - but never entirely. I personally think Kyle will always strive for a 50% run/pass mix. Maybe, with Brock developing more as a passer - that might drop to 53% pass 47% run, but I doubt it.