49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Lions are aggressive

will go for 2

Special teams tricks

go for it on 4th

have to be on your toes with them

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

fans think this is madden or something

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Don't need to go for deep shots if you have 3 time outs.

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Thats weak. Any competent defense is going to try and take away the deep stuff in that situation. Also didn't we have timeouts?

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Thats weak. Any competent defense is going to try and take away the deep stuff in that situation. Also didn't we have timeouts?

It wasn't really a play type issue either IMO. It was a willingness to let the clock run between the plays… best example being on the third and 2. We played that as if we weren't going to get the first down when we should have been confident we would (as we did). Once we converted we had no time to do anything serious other than take a shot and/or settle for 3.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

fans think this is madden or something

No, its taking advantage of having a timeout and working to get closer. In 10 seconds with a timeout, you can still run one extra play. Thats not Madden stuff. Just trying to maximize an opportunity. Kyle as much as admitted he wants to just hold the ball. He'd like to score and lap a team if he's getting the second half kickoff, but if the choice is we get aTD but the other team gets maybe 30 seconds verses hold the ball until it reads all zeros, I think Kyle would choose the latter.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:
Thats weak. Any competent defense is going to try and take away the deep stuff in that situation. Also didn't we have timeouts?

It wasn't really a play type issue either IMO. It was a willingness to let the clock run between the plays… best example being on the third and 2. We played that as if we weren't going to get the first down when we should have been confident we would (as we did). Once we converted we had no time to do anything serious other than take a shot and/or settle for 3.

Even playing it like we weren't going to make it we were in no mans land IE 4 down territory stranded between the 50-35.

It was botched so badly when you had 2 downs to get 2 yards.

That was managed so explicitly badly. You limit the playbook so much needing to go 40 yards with 40 seconds vs 40 yards with a minute and a half.

You can run or pass with a minute and a half. With 40 seconds you have to pass. Not to mention the wasted timeout.

Any coach but shanahan knows this...

If you want to get technical let's talk about the play call. It's an out to kittle and successfully picked up the first.

This is a dumb play call given all of the above... It was successful but it's also dumb, because you need 2 yards and have 2 downs to get it. If Brock takes a sack there instead of just handing the ball of twice you have to punt. (Which is probably what shanahan was thinking even before taking the timeout. This is why you waste 40 seconds because he knew he wanted to pass on 3rd and 2)

It's called not helping your quarterback out with stuff like that.

It's every game at the end of the game and half. It's making everything harder from the sidelines...

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Don't need to go for deep shots if you have 3 time outs.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Thats weak. Any competent defense is going to try and take away the deep stuff in that situation. Also didn't we have timeouts?

tell you what, you guys go watch and listen to his exact words for yourself.

the objective wasn't to settle for a FG attempt. it was to score a TD. he confirmed this.

Players with personal fouls (for 15 yds), that is on our HC. Pass plays where our DBs are tricked and leaves WRs wide open…that is what LeFleur did, not kyle. And Kyle is the guy who is the expert at this, yet Kyle's team got fooled twice on well drawn up plays. That's on kyle. The clock decision with 2 mins to go before half time…that was so fouled up it is unexplainable, altho i know what the excuse was.

That was just plain old bad decision with 2 mins to go. Kyle has a hx of getting too conservative….see instance with ATL and a big lead in SB… kyle just has this thing about getting conservative when we need the opposite. This was not Kyle's best game , and our club, esp the D was not ready for the game. (iMO). He has to shake this part of his coaching and go balls to the walls. This game….Le fleur actually was the better coach until the last final series …and then Kyle looked fine. It is the BEFORE that worries me, however.

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Players with personal fouls (for 15 yds), that is on our HC. Pass plays where our DBs are tricked and leaves WRs wide open…that is what LeFleur did, not kyle. And Kyle is the guy who is the expert at this, yet Kyle's team got fooled twice on well drawn up plays. That's on kyle. The clock decision with 2 mins to go before half time…that was so fouled up it is unexplainable, altho i know what the excuse was.

That was just plain old bad decision with 2 mins to go. Kyle has a hx of getting too conservative….see instance with ATL and a big lead in SB… kyle just has this thing about getting conservative when we need the opposite. This was not Kyle's best game , and our club, esp the D was not ready for the game. (iMO). He has to shake this part of his coaching and go balls to the walls. This game….Le fleur actually was the better coach until the last final series …and then Kyle looked fine. It is the BEFORE that worries me, however.

I may be wrong, but when coaches draw up plays, isn't it with the explicit goal of tricking DBs to get receivers open? It seems a bit unrealistic to expect Kyle to never get fooled, the goal should be for him to fool the opposition more than he gets fooled himself, and I think the outcome of the game shows just that. LaFleur is a good coach and great play designer, that's why he has a job. Kyle is better though, that's why his team is still playing.

Originally posted by Cosmo:

Originally posted by pasodoc9er:
Players with personal fouls (for 15 yds), that is on our HC. Pass plays where our DBs are tricked and leaves WRs wide open…that is what LeFleur did, not kyle. And Kyle is the guy who is the expert at this, yet Kyle's team got fooled twice on well drawn up plays. That's on kyle. The clock decision with 2 mins to go before half time…that was so fouled up it is unexplainable, altho i know what the excuse was.

That was just plain old bad decision with 2 mins to go. Kyle has a hx of getting too conservative….see instance with ATL and a big lead in SB… kyle just has this thing about getting conservative when we need the opposite. This was not Kyle's best game , and our club, esp the D was not ready for the game. (iMO). He has to shake this part of his coaching and go balls to the walls. This game….Le fleur actually was the better coach until the last final series …and then Kyle looked fine. It is the BEFORE that worries me, however.

I may be wrong, but when coaches draw up plays, isn't it with the explicit goal of tricking DBs to get receivers open? It seems a bit unrealistic to expect Kyle to never get fooled, the goal should be for him to fool the opposition more than he gets fooled himself, and I think the outcome of the game shows just that. LaFleur is a good coach and great play designer, that's why he has a job. Kyle is better though, that's why his team is still playing.

one of those open guys was a pick play down field

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by Alfienator:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Don't need to go for deep shots if you have 3 time outs.

Originally posted by LifelongNiner:

Originally posted by Sanfran_chrisco:

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Dude needs to grow a set, the play calling and clock management was p***y play before the half.

If we play the Lions they're gonna do the opposite of what kyle did.

he already exclaimed he wasn't trying to go for the field goal. they called deep shots for the end zone but the Packers took a lot of the deep stuff away.

Thats weak. Any competent defense is going to try and take away the deep stuff in that situation. Also didn't we have timeouts?

tell you what, you guys go watch and listen to his exact words for yourself.

the objective wasn't to settle for a FG attempt. it was to score a TD. he confirmed this.

Of course the objective was to score a TD….as 45 seconds just blew off the clock mid play(s). Kyle is such a dope…he always twists his boneheaded mistakes into positives. Didn't throw the challenge flag against Philly last year ? No, bc he wanted to save the timeout for later. Derp derp…

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It wasn't really a play type issue either IMO. It was a willingness to let the clock run between the plays… best example being on the third and 2. We played that as if we weren't going to get the first down when we should have been confident we would (as we did). Once we converted we had no time to do anything serious other than take a shot and/or settle for 3.

That's because he has little trust in the defense. Makes me think Wilks is out no matter what.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
It wasn't really a play type issue either IMO. It was a willingness to let the clock run between the plays… best example being on the third and 2. We played that as if we weren't going to get the first down when we should have been confident we would (as we did). Once we converted we had no time to do anything serious other than take a shot and/or settle for 3.

That's because he has little trust in the defense. Makes me think Wilks is out no matter what.

No coach should trust any defense with today's rules.