49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by JMC52:
Its against it…alright make it 2 sugars lots of cream…LOTS of cream

Lol. One of the GOAT comedies.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by JMC52:
Its against it…alright make it 2 sugars lots of cream…LOTS of cream

Lol. One of the GOAT comedies.

Best quote I've ever seen on this board. DEEP CUT. Most underrated comedy of all time.

Originally posted by captveg:
Critics talking out of both sides of their mouths.

Against Green Bay I've seen the same people complain that Kyle didn't run enough yet was also too conservative at the end of the second half. Well, which is it? Was he too aggressive or too conservative?

A lot of this sounds like, to me, "If it didn't work it was wrong, and so I'll simply say he should have done the opposite."

I WAS calling to run the ball all game long... it was obvious that B-Rock Steady Purdy was struggling, the best way to deal w/that was to use the best RB in the NFL... and 44 should get some bones too from time to time..

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I guess you guys don't realize that every year we have this discussion in playoffs. Over and Over and the end result in the last years has been the same.

IIt is the definition of insanity. It's the same cycle every year.

Team looks dominant, shows some weaknesses during the season. Nfl talking heads say niners are dangerous

niners have some success in the postseason, everyone sucks off Shanahan.

Shanahan loses for some unknown reason, but mostly due to his in game adjustments and game management.

Repeat.

Nothing has changed. Fans are expecting a different result when Shanahan is the same coach year in amd year out who continues to make the same mistakes. The niners could have easily lost vs the packers due to shanahans mind boggling end of half play calling. They likely won't be lucky again.

The only difference between us and the cowboys is that we advance a little more. We still end up with a loss and we both haven't won a ring since the mid nineties.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I guess you guys don't realize that every year we have this discussion in playoffs. Over and Over and the end result in the last years has been the same.

IIt is the definition of insanity. It's the same cycle every year.

Team looks dominant, shows some weaknesses during the season. Nfl talking heads say niners are dangerous

niners have some success in the postseason, everyone sucks off Shanahan.

Shanahan loses for some unknown reason, but mostly due to his in game adjustments and game management.

Repeat.

Nothing has changed. Fans are expecting a different result when Shanahan is the same coach year in amd year out who continues to make the same mistakes. The niners could have easily lost vs the packers due to shanahans mind boggling end of half play calling. They likely won't be lucky again.

The only difference between us and the cowboys is that we advance a little more. We still end up with a loss and we both haven't won a ring since the mid nineties.

So who is your choice to replace KS?

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I guess you guys don't realize that every year we have this discussion in playoffs. Over and Over and the end result in the last years has been the same.

IIt is the definition of insanity. It's the same cycle every year.

Team looks dominant, shows some weaknesses during the season. Nfl talking heads say niners are dangerous

niners have some success in the postseason, everyone sucks off Shanahan.

Shanahan loses for some unknown reason, but mostly due to his in game adjustments and game management.

Repeat.

Nothing has changed. Fans are expecting a different result when Shanahan is the same coach year in amd year out who continues to make the same mistakes. The niners could have easily lost vs the packers due to shanahans mind boggling end of half play calling. They likely won't be lucky again.

The only difference between us and the cowboys is that we advance a little more. We still end up with a loss and we both haven't won a ring since the mid nineties.

We lost bc Purdy had a torn elbow and before that he had an average QB that would choke in the playoffs. No HC would've won in those situations. The fact that Kyle got so far with Jimmy is remarkable.

Originally posted by SlipAndSlideBosa:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by Monsterniner:
I guess you guys don't realize that every year we have this discussion in playoffs. Over and Over and the end result in the last years has been the same.

IIt is the definition of insanity. It's the same cycle every year.

Team looks dominant, shows some weaknesses during the season. Nfl talking heads say niners are dangerous

niners have some success in the postseason, everyone sucks off Shanahan.

Shanahan loses for some unknown reason, but mostly due to his in game adjustments and game management.

Repeat.

Nothing has changed. Fans are expecting a different result when Shanahan is the same coach year in amd year out who continues to make the same mistakes. The niners could have easily lost vs the packers due to shanahans mind boggling end of half play calling. They likely won't be lucky again.

The only difference between us and the cowboys is that we advance a little more. We still end up with a loss and we both haven't won a ring since the mid nineties.

So who is your choice to replace KS?

No one. Kyle is the best coach in the NFL.

At half time I said the same thing. "I would not want any other Head Coach for this team. But the clock management at the end of the 1st half has always been an issue with him". Now if Moody makes the field goal it softens the blow somewhat. Thats the risk you take when you mail it in instead of playing to put up points.

After discovering Johnnydells FA I realized how little I actually understand the professional game. The game within the game is truly insane. I get frustrated with Kyle from time to time, human nature I guess. But the man has us at the door step more often than not. He's a couple calls away each season from bringing home the prize.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
Not sure if this has been posted recently but this is Shanahans reasoning for being cautious before the half...

Note, this was after a game in November, not this past weekend.

We ended with one more possession than them in the game; I think we had nine [and] I think they had eight," Shanahan said. "It's usually that way or dead even. That happened because we scored with no time left in the second quarter, then right when we got back, we got the touchdown. It's a 7-3 game with four minutes in the second quarter, and you go on a four-minute [drive], you get to kill that clock, you kick a field goal, three of them to finish the second quarter.

"We take about 20 minutes off, come back out, and their offense hasn't touched the field for about an hour now. And last time they were out there, they were down four, now they're down 10, so it's a completely different feeling … It's a huge difference. They're going in there thinking it's a tight game at halftime, then when you get the ball back next time, it's two scores. When you do that, usually good things happen."

The 49ers head coach then revealed this strategy is a calculated formula backed by decades of data pointing to a massive spike in winning percentage for teams that hold the ball to end the first half.

"It's one I've heard for a long time, used to always hear it as a coordinator, never really followed it, started doing it our third year here," Shanahan told Papa. "There's a huge stat over the last 40 years that the team who finishes with the ball at the end of the second quarter or if they score at the end of the second quarter, their winning percentage in that game over these last 30 years just right below turnovers. I think blocked punts is bigger. So it's one of the top stats in the league for winning. It doesn't completely make sense. That's why I ignored it for so long."

Shanahan also detailed that while scoring before the half is the ideal outcome, simply keeping the ball away from your opponent still yields incredible results for the team that can register the second quarter's final possession.

"As long as they don't get an opportunity to do it," Shanahan explained. "That clock runs out. If you score, obviously much better, and that percentage goes up. But just finishing with the football, that stat is like that. I had the same facial expression as you for a while. We spent a lot of time looking into it, and it was all accurate. 2019 was the first year I really tried it. I thought our defense was going to be pretty unbelievable that year, and we were going to take that in and commit to it. If you watch how that year went, it went that way the whole year. We were so successful with it, the stats were even better than what I imagined, and we've always stuck with that."

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kyle-shanahan-explains-wild-statistic/1672946/

Papa was referencing this today on KNBR. It's very hard to use this reasoning to justify how we managed the clock there IMO. Nothing would have been more beneficial than getting a TD as close to the end of the half as possible… and we for all intents and purposes willingly chose not to have a good chance at one simply to prevent a possible change of possession. And that's in a game where our O had only had two other possessions, our D was struggling to get off the field, and we had just scored a TD on our last possession, It's mind boggling.

You can't justify it because it was just stupid...

There was no strategy behind the wasted timeout and wasted 40 seconds on the 3rd and 2.

I don't even think there was much strategy on throwing it on 3rd and 2 in a 4 down situation...

The analytics will say that the conversion percentage is higher running the ball twice on third and short and that's why it's done most of the time.

Also coincidence does not equal causality as far as holding the ball or scoring at the end of the half. More than likely that "statistic" was done without correctly adding covariates into the equation. Ie there's more to the fact that the team that typically scores or holds the ball at the end of the half usually wins.

I can also pretty much guarantee that the likelihood over scoring utilizing methodical movement down the field is much higher than explosive plays... Otherwise why don't we just throw the ball up every play deep...

Any way you slice it there's no logical, rationale, or statistical reasoning to manage the clock and the play calls on the 3rd and 2 from the 40.

So now Kyle doesn't trust Brock? I remember all those QB conversations.

Good thing he (and CMC) saved Kyle's ass at the end.

Maybe he'll trust him more now.

But I doubt it. This has been his ingrained philosophy since he got here and became a HC. He's the opposite of the hotshot OC he was in ATL.

If Brock ever becomes elite, he'll override those p***y tendencies Kyle has. I remember I saw a piece on NFLN once on Favre and how he used to audible out of Holmgren's calls. It used to drive Holmgren nuts but a lot of times those plays worked so it was all good.

Brock is young and still learning the game. Hopefully he achieves Rodgers / Brady status (in terms of confidence not necessarily skill set) so that in those situations when Kyle is doing his very best to f**k the team over, Brock can over ride it and call his own shot.

Kyle is such a p***y it's frustrating

Originally posted by Young2Owens:
It's one of those things where 50/50 you end up being right or wrong. In this game we witnessed the worst case scenario where the FG got blocked and then went 3 and out on the opening second half possession. Had we scored that FG we go into the half being up 10-6 which isn't that great but at least we have that lead with the ball, which we all would have taken it given how the game was going.

Say we got the FG and didn't have a play calling lapse in that next possession and get another 3 points. Then we are up a touchdown and now Green Bay has the pressure on them. Or even better we score a TD and we are now talking about a potential blowout with momentum massively on our side.

I don't think there's a right or wrong answer, just we will all disagree with Kyle or agree depending on what our personal philosophy is.

It's not 50/50. There's no way to justify calling 40 seconds off the clock in a 3rd and 2 situation on your opponent's side of the field. No team in their right mind would do it. Even if you retort by saying what is we don't get the first, it doesn't change that NO team on their opponent's side of the field would kill 40 seconds off the clock with plenty of timeouts remaining. It's losing football mentality. He did it in the SB. He did it against GB. Ppl need to stop defending Kyle for this kind of ineptitude…

Not just the clock management but he called a 64/36 split in favor of the pass in the rain when his QB was struggling with accuracy all night.

Originally posted by YACBros85:
Not just the clock management but he called a 64/36 split in favor of the pass in the rain when his QB was struggling with accuracy all night.

Yep wish he had a system where when the QB got to line he could check into a call that's more beneficial to what the D is showing.

Originally posted by DrEll:
If Brock ever becomes elite, he'll override those p***y tendencies Kyle has.

LOL. Brock now needs to transcend Kyle too.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
IIt is the definition of insanity. It's the same cycle every year.

Team looks dominant, shows some weaknesses during the season. Nfl talking heads say niners are dangerous

niners have some success in the postseason, everyone sucks off Shanahan.

Shanahan loses for some unknown reason, but mostly due to his in game adjustments and game management.

Repeat.

Nothing has changed. Fans are expecting a different result when Shanahan is the same coach year in amd year out who continues to make the same mistakes. The niners could have easily lost vs the packers due to shanahans mind boggling end of half play calling. They likely won't be lucky again.

The only difference between us and the cowboys is that we advance a little more. We still end up with a loss and we both haven't won a ring since the mid nineties.

Lol nothing but complaining. No solutions. No real nuanced aspect of what kyle did wrong and why…because you simply don't understand any of it.

90% of the league would give their left nut to have Kyle as their HC. Look at the turnover every yr at HC. We got a 3rd of the league running his offense/coming from the shanahan tree. Clearly people who get paid a f**k ton of money would tell you to shut it….you're an ungrateful whiner fan.

3 straight trips to the NFCC and a SB. Two with a below avg QB in Jimmy. A guy who you thought was way better than he is. Dude couldn't even last a month in a half on a different team 🤡

kyle then takes the last pick in the draft, a guy who has limitations (hence where he was drafted). Helps make him a MVP candidate and go to TWO NFCC.

Just say you don't know what you're talking about and you're just an emotional fan.