49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Even without purdy that game...

Kyle failed to have a capable backup in case of brocks injury.
Kyle failed to challenge the Smith drop on the first drive
Kyle decided to go aggressive before the half, down 14-7 with Josh Johnson of all people, causing a sack fumble, allowing the eagles to get another td prior to the half, putting the game out of reach.

Kyle may be a good play designer. His in game adjustments and in game management has to be one of the worst. His record down starting the 4th is a testament to that.

all I hear is crying about nothing.

Name a great team that didn't have a great QB/HC combo. Not just a one year wonder like the 85 Bears. I'm talking about the teams with extended success. It's nearly impossible to win every year without that QB/HC combo. Look at the Patriots with and without Brady. Kyle has had a good QB everywhere he's gone except when he first came to the Niners. JG was better than average except he kept getting hurt. Look at the record with and without him. I can't think of any team that had sustained greatness without that combo.

On the other hand there are many teams with a good HC but a bad QB or a good QB and bad HC. They don't win. It's not about Brock or about Kyle. It's about them together. One of the reasons Brock has played so well is his ability to quickly get on the same page as Kyle.

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
We lost bc Purdy had a torn elbow and before that he had an average QB that would choke in the playoffs. No HC would've won in those situations. The fact that Kyle got so far with Jimmy is remarkable.

People will dismiss all our QBs as nothing because we have Kyle, and our guys will always say Kyle sucks........so frustrating

Even without purdy that game...

Kyle failed to have a capable backup in case of brocks injury.
Kyle failed to challenge the Smith drop on the first drive
Kyle decided to go aggressive before the half, down 14-7 with Josh Johnson of all people, causing a sack fumble, allowing the eagles to get another td prior to the half, putting the game out of reach.

Kyle may be a good play designer. His in game adjustments and in game management has to be one of the worst. His record down starting the 4th is a testament to that.

Lmao ya why didn't he sign this great FA QB in December.

Some of our fans I tell you...

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Lmao ya why didn't he sign this great FA QB in December.

Some of our fans I tell you...

Ridiculous.

I still think it would have been amazing if we somehow won that championship game and brought in Rivers for the SB. That would have been an absolute spectacle and we missed out.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
We lost bc Purdy had a torn elbow and before that he had an average QB that would choke in the playoffs. No HC would've won in those situations. The fact that Kyle got so far with Jimmy is remarkable.

People will dismiss all our QBs as nothing because we have Kyle, and our guys will always say Kyle sucks........so frustrating

Even without purdy that game...

Kyle failed to have a capable backup in case of brocks injury.
Kyle failed to challenge the Smith drop on the first drive
Kyle decided to go aggressive before the half, down 14-7 with Josh Johnson of all people, causing a sack fumble, allowing the eagles to get another td prior to the half, putting the game out of reach.

Kyle may be a good play designer. His in game adjustments and in game management has to be one of the worst. His record down starting the 4th is a testament to that.

Lmao ya why didn't he sign this great FA QB in December.

Some of our fans I tell you...

Purdy was already our 3rd string lol what is he on about

Also Kyle Shanahan is the ONLY COACH in nfl history to win multiple playoff games in every playoff appearance

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Even without purdy that game...

Kyle failed to have a capable backup in case of brocks injury.
Kyle failed to challenge the Smith drop on the first drive
Kyle decided to go aggressive before the half, down 14-7 with Josh Johnson of all people, causing a sack fumble, allowing the eagles to get another td prior to the half, putting the game out of reach.

Kyle may be a good play designer. His in game adjustments and in game management has to be one of the worst. His record down starting the 4th is a testament to that.

Purdy *was* the capable backup. He started the season as 3rd string. We had to look for an emergency 4th string QB in December. Who was you hoping would be appointed?

The whole 7-points down in the 4th quarter thing is massively overstated. Kyle was working with a poor team going through a rebuild 2017, 2018, and was hit with catastrophic injuries 2020. Nobody can win from 7-points down with just a quarter to go in those circumstances.

The entire league average is 7% win with 8pts down at the start of the 4th quarter (don't have 7pt figures). That equates to a 2-30 record compared to Kyle's 1-31.

If you look at the period when Kyle had a competitive team to work with (2019, 2021, 2022, and this ongoing season), there are only 9 games that qualify as part of the lossy run. I've taken the liberty of leaving out the injury-fest of last season's NFC Championship game.

Originally posted by joeknows:
Purdy *was* the capable backup. He started the season as 3rd string. We had to look for an emergency 4th string QB in December. Who was you hoping would be appointed?

The whole 7-points down in the 4th quarter thing is massively overstated. Kyle was working with a poor team going through a rebuild 2017, 2018, and was hit with catastrophic injuries 2020. Nobody can win from 7-points down with just a quarter to go in those circumstances.

The entire league average is 7% win with 8pts down at the start of the 4th quarter (don't have 7pt figures). That equates to a 2-30 record compared to Kyle's 1-31.

If you look at the period when Kyle had a competitive team to work with (2019, 2021, 2022, and this ongoing season), there are only 9 games that qualify as part of the lossy run. I've taken the liberty of leaving out the injury-fest of last season's NFC Championship game.

even then we came back from 17-0 in a must win game against the Rams in 2021 for example im sure there are others

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by NCommand:

Originally posted by DrEll:
If Brock ever becomes elite, he'll override those p***y tendencies Kyle has.

LOL. Brock now needs to transcend Kyle too.

lol I'm curious. Doesn't Brock already have the authority to audible here? I understand they are given a couple of
predetermined options, but DrEll is saying can he switch to entirely new play based on a look etc?

Nobody knows for sure as every system is different. Jimmy talked about how much more freedom he'd have in McDaniel's system compared to here. Here the C makes the line calls. In other systems, the QB does. It just depends. They all have some degree of freedom though; it's just a matter to what degree and other responsibilities as well.

During our 3 game skid in the regular season, when we didn't have Deebo, how did Shanahan scheme things?
It's been awhile since those games, and I only remember the Vikings game.

Makes sense to me to have CMC run Deebo's usual plays, and then plug in Elijah Mitchell or Jordan Mason there. Did they do that in those games?

Originally posted by Wubbie:
During our 3 game skid in the regular season, when we didn't have Deebo, how did Shanahan scheme things?
It's been awhile since those games, and I only remember the Vikings game.

Makes sense to me to have CMC run Deebo's usual plays, and then plug in Elijah Mitchell or Jordan Mason there. Did they do that in those games?

Great questions.

Originally posted by joeknows:

Originally posted by JoseCortez:
Even without purdy that game...

Kyle failed to have a capable backup in case of brocks injury.
Kyle failed to challenge the Smith drop on the first drive
Kyle decided to go aggressive before the half, down 14-7 with Josh Johnson of all people, causing a sack fumble, allowing the eagles to get another td prior to the half, putting the game out of reach.

Kyle may be a good play designer. His in game adjustments and in game management has to be one of the worst. His record down starting the 4th is a testament to that.

Purdy *was* the capable backup. He started the season as 3rd string. We had to look for an emergency 4th string QB in December. Who was you hoping would be appointed?

The whole 7-points down in the 4th quarter thing is massively overstated. Kyle was working with a poor team going through a rebuild 2017, 2018, and was hit with catastrophic injuries 2020. Nobody can win from 7-points down with just a quarter to go in those circumstances.

The entire league average is 7% win with 8pts down at the start of the 4th quarter (don't have 7pt figures). That equates to a 2-30 record compared to Kyle's 1-31.

If you look at the period when Kyle had a competitive team to work with (2019, 2021, 2022, and this ongoing season), there are only 9 games that qualify as part of the lossy run. I've taken the liberty of leaving out the injury-fest of last season's NFC Championship game.

You'll notice that this is never compared to other coaches or the league, just a tool they use to create a narrative! I've always asked myself why no one thinks to put it into perspective (rhetorically).

thanks for the actual stat!

Originally posted by Wubbie:
During our 3 game skid in the regular season, when we didn't have Deebo, how did Shanahan scheme things?
It's been awhile since those games, and I only remember the Vikings game.

Makes sense to me to have CMC run Deebo's usual plays, and then plug in Elijah Mitchell or Jordan Mason there. Did they do that in those games?

Nothing was different... They just plugged in ray ray and ran the offense the same way even when Trent was out. This lead to us starting slow and being buried/letting teams hang around in all of those games. The pass rush had purdy unconformable every game. Teams also forced mcaffrey inside a lot more and that bottled him up.

I didn't like the gameplan kyle had, or at least the one he called. I thought it was one of kyles more odd games. Career high throwing for Brock in the rain during a close game? Odd.

I'm glad they were able to come through and have a comeback but I'm hoping kyle and Brock have a better gameplan for the lions. I think they will. Kyle doesn't usually have consecutive games of poor calling. I think the niners offense will be on fire now thay it's going to be a clear day.

goff is going to get manhandled 😈

Originally posted by tankle104:
I didn't like the gameplan kyle had, or at least the one he called. I thought it was one of kyles more odd games. Career high throwing for Brock in the rain during a close game? Odd.

I'm glad they were able to come through and have a comeback but I'm hoping kyle and Brock have a better gameplan for the lions. I think they will. Kyle doesn't usually have consecutive games of poor calling. I think the niners offense will be on fire now thay it's going to be a clear day.

goff is going to get manhandled 😈

Perhaps the two weeks off gave Kyle time to overthink things and made him want to put on a show. What he should have known is that wet Brock isn't consistently accurate. The time to put on a show could be this weekend where the 49ers may have to put up 30+ points to get the job done.

Originally posted by DrEll:
If Brock ever becomes elite, he'll override those p***y tendencies Kyle has. I remember I saw a piece on NFLN once on Favre and how he used to audible out of Holmgren's calls. It used to drive Holmgren nuts but a lot of times those plays worked so it was all good.

Brock is young and still learning the game. Hopefully he achieves Rodgers / Brady status (in terms of confidence not necessarily skill set) so that in those situations when Kyle is doing his very best to f**k the team over, Brock can over ride it and call his own shot.

Kyle is such a p***y it's frustrating

Look at this scaredy cat in all the game threads calling another grown man a p***y. The irony

I'm not trying to stir things up here, but you guys cant deny the facts. Since Christmas day the niners have played three meaningful games

Ravens
Commanders
Packers

The 49ers have looked like crap in all three of them. I havent seen the niners look dominant since before the ravens game. Just because they have the #1 seed and beat the packers doesn't mean it's all fine and dandy.

They beat the commanders but that game wasnt in the bag until late in the 4th. They don't generate pressure on the opposing qb. Ambry thomas and both safeties are a liability. Purdy has not looked good in all three of them. Yes he had a couple nice passes in the commanders game. But nothing to write home about. Shanahan refuses to give cmc a rest and refuses to play Mitchel and Mason which makes absolutely no sense to me. Deebo is now hurt. I believe deebo is purdys safety net. He is kelce to mahommes. He is Welker to brady. Those qbs were not as successful when their safety nets weren't playing. Wilks inspires zero confidence.

I really hope deebo plays this week because without him, the niners have no chance.