49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Well you knew he couldn't coach 4 good games in a row in the playoffs... That's already been established.

We survived his bad game. Hopefully it's only 1/3. We have a real good shot if this was his lone bad one...

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Not worth it. He would be here max one year before he gets head coaching gig. What's the point of implementing his playbook into our defensive schemes then having to find someone like Matt Patricia for continuity when he leaves?

I'd rather get rid of Wilks then promote someone from the ranks that will carry the same plays that Saleh or Demeco did…

Hire Bill, let him coach the year. When he moves on we can pick up Saleh after the Jest go belly up.

lol, there's zero chance BB is going to be our DC

If no one hires bill this off season, I don't see anyone doing it next year when he's older. Lol I imagine his age is one of the biggest issues because he is a short term fix for any team.

I'll believe he is going to end up on our staff (front office or coaching staff) until it doesn't happen.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Not worth it. He would be here max one year before he gets head coaching gig. What's the point of implementing his playbook into our defensive schemes then having to find someone like Matt Patricia for continuity when he leaves?

I'd rather get rid of Wilks then promote someone from the ranks that will carry the same plays that Saleh or Demeco did…

Hire Bill, let him coach the year. When he moves on we can pick up Saleh after the Jest go belly up.

lol, there's zero chance BB is going to be our DC

If no one hires bill this off season, I don't see anyone doing it next year when he's older. Lol I imagine his age is one of the biggest issues because he is a short term fix for any team.

I'll believe he is going to end up on our staff (front office or coaching staff) until it doesn't happen.

I don't believe it is his age that is holding people back.

I think it is the grandiose level of control that he wants.

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't believe it is his age that is holding people back.

I think it is the grandiose level of control that he wants.

I think he should not be GM but I believe any HC worth their salt should have full decision making power over the roster and their personnel. I don't agree with a GM having that power.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I was super frustrated with the last drive of the first half but have since read about the philosophy of finishing and starting the halves with the ball to limit scoring ops for the opposition and to keep their offense out of the game for an hour. Understanding the priority of ending and starting with the ball makes sense.

https://www.nbcsportsbayarea.com/nfl/san-francisco-49ers/kyle-shanahan-explains-wild-statistic/1672946/

In my vantage I think it was 3rd and 2. One of the reasons Kyle was a lil paralyzed in that moment and burned all the play clock and a TO, is he is so deadset on punting on 4th. So he views this as if we fail the 3rd down, that's our only shot. A more aggressive analytical coach probably views this as 2 down territory. So you got 2 downs, to get 2 yards, with 2 MVP candidates.

You don't want to burn clock. You want to convert and keep it rolling. The lapping the opponent is done by scoring at end of half, which we didn't accomplish. In part because we got herky jerky, we burned clock and a TO, then starting no huddling and spiking. You should never burn clock then desperately conserve clock a literal play later.

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't believe it is his age that is holding people back.

I think it is the grandiose level of control that he wants.

I think he should not be GM but I believe any HC worth their salt should have full decision making power over the roster and their personnel. I don't agree with a GM having that power.

I have seen it work, and fail both ways.

Look no further than Bill Walsh....albeit today's NFL is very different and there is not really "system" players across the board like their use to be.

The one reason I tend to agree with your mindset is watching dumpster fires that take place when GM's made bad choices, then get all snotty when their "guys" can't cut it. (poor Jim Mora)

Or worse, a HC get's all snotty and will not play a clearly talented player because you "aint gonna tell me what to do". Ala Farve and Jerry Glandville in Atlanta.

There have been really good football coaches, that sucked as Coach/GMs.. Marty Shottienhimer comes to mind..he got stripped of his GM duties in KC.
shanny 1.0 lost his GM duties to elway...There is another big time coach that lost his GM duties....but it is just not coming to mind right now...

Back in the Day Bill Parcells was the gold standard for this, dude made Super Bowl runs on more teams then I can remember....but...the NFL has changed. Bill Parcells would not have a bag of dudes that follow him from team to team....

Then you have guys like Buddy Ryan...who absolutely had to have a GM. His entire coaching system was "us" vs "them" with "them" being the front office. He actively scape goated his own team as the bad guys to keep players motivated.

To a lessor degree that has a ton of value to a team. You want your players to think of your coach as the X and O guy. You might be pissed at the team for some money issues...but when you are with the coach...it is XS and Os time.

Originally posted by Dshearn:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by Crown:
I don't believe it is his age that is holding people back.

I think it is the grandiose level of control that he wants.

I think he should not be GM but I believe any HC worth their salt should have full decision making power over the roster and their personnel. I don't agree with a GM having that power.

I have seen it work, and fail both ways.

Look no further than Bill Walsh....albeit today's NFL is very different and there is not really "system" players across the board like their use to be.

The one reason I tend to agree with your mindset is watching dumpster fires that take place when GM's made bad choices, then get all snotty when their "guys" can't cut it. (poor Jim Mora)

Or worse, a HC get's all snotty and will not play a clearly talented player because you "aint gonna tell me what to do". Ala Farve and Jerry Glandville in Atlanta.

There have been really good football coaches, that sucked as Coach/GMs.. Marty Shottienhimer comes to mind..he got stripped of his GM duties in KC.
shanny 1.0 lost his GM duties to elway...There is another big time coach that lost his GM duties....but it is just not coming to mind right now...

Back in the Day Bill Parcells was the gold standard for this, dude made Super Bowl runs on more teams then I can remember....but...the NFL has changed. Bill Parcells would not have a bag of dudes that follow him from team to team....

Then you have guys like Buddy Ryan...who absolutely had to have a GM. His entire coaching system was "us" vs "them" with "them" being the front office. He actively scape goated his own team as the bad guys to keep players motivated.

To a lessor degree that has a ton of value to a team. You want your players to think of your coach as the X and O guy. You might be pissed at the team for some money issues...but when you are with the coach...it is XS and Os time.

Good post

You definitely need a hierarchy (just like most business) but in the perfect world all parties work together. That's pretty much what we have here right now. Both Kyle and Lynch listen to each other and take into consideration what they want (including the assistant/scouting department).

They've been doing this for 7 years now and both parties have had their hits and misses, but still trust each other. Which is hard to argue with the results when you have one the best all around rosters in football for the past 5 years.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Folks conflate this issue, playcalling is one thing. When you say Campbell is aggressive and Kyle is conservative, which KNBR has been talking about, they aren't talking about yds / play or even playcalling. Campbell doesn't call plays. They are talking about a HCs approach to 4th downs, 2 pt conversions, and analytics type decisions on do you keep the O on the field. Kyle can be the best play caller in football, and still be tight on those analytics moments, Kyle is on record saying he doesn't really buy into analytics in this sense.

Here's a piece him talking about how he frowns upon analytics: https://www.ninersnation.com/2023/10/6/23905593/kyle-shanahan-analytics-49ers-cowboys

As HC and playcaller, that's a ton on his plate. Campbell doesn't call plays. I imagine it's a lil easier to be analytical and to manage clock if you aren't calling plays at the same time.

What do analytics say about playing 10 yards off on 4th and 5? Never got an answer.

Originally posted by tankle104:
There are reports that BB is losing momentum in the head coaching searches… 😈.

say hello to our next DC!

I don't know if Bill likes the Wide 9 the way Kyle does.

Originally posted by Giedi:

Originally posted by tankle104:
There are reports that BB is losing momentum in the head coaching searches… 😈.

say hello to our next DC!

I don't know if Bill likes the Wide 9 the way Kyle does.

Is this serious? Why the hell would he demote himself to a DC? He's a HOF coach...would Walsh except an OC positions?

With the clock burn prior to half time, I felt we had a bit of offensive momentum (I'd have to take a look back to see what made me feel that at the time). The clock burn just turned everything 'rhino rhino' panicky. I didn't like it at all.
Drive down the field and score some points. Defend the remaining 30 seconds if necessary.
I think he put the hard-wired strategy over the situational tactic in that moment. I'd prefer him to be a bit more flexible in his thinking there.

Originally posted by Crown:

Originally posted by tankle104:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Not worth it. He would be here max one year before he gets head coaching gig. What's the point of implementing his playbook into our defensive schemes then having to find someone like Matt Patricia for continuity when he leaves?

I'd rather get rid of Wilks then promote someone from the ranks that will carry the same plays that Saleh or Demeco did…

Hire Bill, let him coach the year. When he moves on we can pick up Saleh after the Jest go belly up.

lol, there's zero chance BB is going to be our DC

If no one hires bill this off season, I don't see anyone doing it next year when he's older. Lol I imagine his age is one of the biggest issues because he is a short term fix for any team.

I'll believe he is going to end up on our staff (front office or coaching staff) until it doesn't happen.

I don't believe it is his age that is holding people back.

I think it is the grandiose level of control that he wants.

Yea, demands + demeanor = not someone you're chasing. His reputation has a lot to do with Brady, and that franchise fell off a cliff after Brady left. I don't think Belichick will get a job just on interviews alone, he needs to vow the owner and be flexible with how much control he wants…

I rewatched the game yesterday. That final drive of the first half was designed to score a TD. The plays were called but the Lions had the receivers covered so Brock chose not to try and force it. They wanted to at least get 3 points. Mission accomplished except the Packers blocked the kick.

Originally posted by BoldRedandGold:
Well you knew he couldn't coach 4 good games in a row in the playoffs... That's already been established.

We survived his bad game. Hopefully it's only 1/3. We have a real good shot if this was his lone bad one...

And we knew you couldn't make at least 1 good post.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
I rewatched the game yesterday. That final drive of the first half was designed to score a TD. The plays were called but the Lions had the receivers covered so Brock chose not to try and force it. They wanted to at least get 3 points. Mission accomplished except the Packers blocked the kick.

Yeah, the special teams performance in the GB game wasn't good. It has to be better for the Lions game.