49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Why do we do this when we can easily observe NFL coaches across the league employing the opposite strategy? They're 'experts' too. It's not like faithful is out on a limb here.

No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Why do we do this when we can easily observe NFL coaches across the league employing the opposite strategy? They're 'experts' too. It's not like faithful is out on a limb here.

No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

well if Shanny was consistently bad.. would wouldn't be winning nor get as far as we do. There's def more good than bad

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. The same thing with JIm Harbaugh. He still hasn't signed with the Chargers. I feel the hangup is more about control than money. Jim and Bill *shouldn't* have total control over player personnel. The struggle between Coach and GM is that the Coach has a short term time table and the GM has a much longer one. It takes two strong but accommodating personalities to balance that out in a good way. The personal dynamic's between John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have been good. That's a rarity in the NFL today.

Total control is what Harbaugh wants. Gonna have a puppet GM no matter where he goes.

That might work for a couple of years, but if he doesn't have a strong GM, then it can become another Bill Bellichick type of scenario.

Strong in the sense of an Adam Peter's who puts in months of work, vs Kyle who puts in a couple of days (because of lack of time).

Originally posted by DrEll:
No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

I think he's a top tier head coach. One of the best in the league. Don't get it twisted. He's not flawless.

Originally posted by 9moon:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree. The same thing with JIm Harbaugh. He still hasn't signed with the Chargers. I feel the hangup is more about control than money. Jim and Bill *shouldn't* have total control over player personnel. The struggle between Coach and GM is that the Coach has a short term time table and the GM has a much longer one. It takes two strong but accommodating personalities to balance that out in a good way. The personal dynamic's between John Lynch and Kyle Shanahan have been good. That's a rarity in the NFL today.

Total control is what Harbaugh wants. Gonna have a puppet GM no matter where he goes.

.. and why would not any good HC want that control?

like Parcells said, " they want me to cook dinner, they should let me do the grocery "

Scouting is a bit different from cooking. You don't know what you don't know. And if the Coach doesn't put the time and effort in to studying the college players, he can pick more Joe Williams vs Nick Bosas.

I agree with those folks who say one reason 49ers have hit on the later parts of the draft is because of guys like Adam Peter's. Guys like Ron Wolf and Scott McCouhan have that talent to pick players that will translate well into the NFL. A coach like Belichick and Kyle may not have that skill set in certain positions vs their core competencies.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya dude you definitely know better ????

Why do we do this when we can easily observe NFL coaches across the league employing the opposite strategy? They're 'experts' too. It's not like faithful is out on a limb here.

No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

well if Shanny was consistently bad.. would wouldn't be winning nor get as far as we do. There's def more good than bad

Certainly. he's like Achilles, who was 99% great, he just has one lil weak spot.
not like that will end up being his downfall

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
That clock mgmt was so bad. He's trying to explain it, and he reveals his thinking by admitting he was punting, if the 3rd down play didn't convert. That's why he burned all that clock and TO. It's bad clock mgmt, driven by bad analytics.

The correct way to approach that situation: you have 2 plays get get 2 yards. You have Trent Williams and 2 MVP candidates. This ain't hard folks. Pick up the yards, and the job is to score points. Preserve clock. Very frustrating, he will seemingly continue to make poor analytical decisions, that cost the team win probability. This is ongoing in our postseasons.

"We handled it the way we wanted to," Shanahan said on Thursday. "We ended up kicking it on fourth down, didn't we?

Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Nah I'm defending faithful on this one too.

When we had Jimmy G who's more prone to turning the ball over, it made more sense to defend Kyle for his clock management.

There's no excuse now. I mean, you could argue it's better to be conservative in the rain, but I think that's a poor argument.

Kyle is a great coach, but he gets very strange in certain playoff games at certain moments in the game.

Edit: And when I say more sense... I mean the play calling in the SB still doesn't make sense to me, but its more defensible.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Nah I'm defending faithful on this one too.

When we had Jimmy G who's more prone to turning the ball over, it made more sense to defend Kyle for his clock management.

There's no excuse now. I mean, you could argue it's better to be conservative in the rain, but I think that's a poor argument.

Kyle is a great coach, but he gets very strange in certain playoff games at certain moments in the game.

If he said he was concerned about the rain, at least that would be a reason. It would still be incredibly conservative though… and kicking long FGs in the rain aint easy either. The offense needs more than a 1-play opportunity to get in better position (which is what we did to ourselves by draining clock esp. at 3rd and 2).

And being concerned about the offense is tough for me at that point in the game. We had two drives before that. One that was effectively killed by a penalty, and a TD drive where Brock made a good play… which was the last possession.

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Nah I'm defending faithful on this one too.

When we had Jimmy G who's more prone to turning the ball over, it made more sense to defend Kyle for his clock management.

There's no excuse now. I mean, you could argue it's better to be conservative in the rain, but I think that's a poor argument.

Kyle is a great coach, but he gets very strange in certain playoff games at certain moments in the game.

Edit: And when I say more sense... I mean the play calling in the SB still doesn't make sense to me, but its more defensible.

Just ironic coming from faithful when he defends the DC who makes Kyle look like the coaching version of Brett Favre.

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
That clock mgmt was so bad. He's trying to explain it, and he reveals his thinking by admitting he was punting, if the 3rd down play didn't convert. That's why he burned all that clock and TO. It's bad clock mgmt, driven by bad analytics.

The correct way to approach that situation: you have 2 plays get get 2 yards. You have Trent Williams and 2 MVP candidates. This ain't hard folks. Pick up the yards, and the job is to score points. Preserve clock. Very frustrating, he will seemingly continue to make poor analytical decisions, that cost the team win probability. This is ongoing in our postseasons.

"We handled it the way we wanted to," Shanahan said on Thursday. "We ended up kicking it on fourth down, didn't we?

Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Nah I'm defending faithful on this one too.

When we had Jimmy G who's more prone to turning the ball over, it made more sense to defend Kyle for his clock management.

There's no excuse now. I mean, you could argue it's better to be conservative in the rain, but I think that's a poor argument.

Kyle is a great coach, but he gets very strange in certain playoff games at certain moments in the game.

Edit: And when I say more sense... I mean the play calling in the SB still doesn't make sense to me, but its more defensible.

there are plenty other before half situations that went right. Nothing is 100%

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by tankle104:
My prediction of BB coming here is slowly coming true! He isn't going to get a head coaching gig this year, neither Washington or seattle will hire him.

muhahaha

BB does love him some Kyle

now thinking McVay steals BB

Nah. I think our organization has more connection to him and is more impressively ran. BB could contribute here and learn some stuff.

I doubt bill wants to go to the west coast, so If he does, it'll be here over the rams.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Waterbear:
Nah I'm defending faithful on this one too.

When we had Jimmy G who's more prone to turning the ball over, it made more sense to defend Kyle for his clock management.

There's no excuse now. I mean, you could argue it's better to be conservative in the rain, but I think that's a poor argument.

Kyle is a great coach, but he gets very strange in certain playoff games at certain moments in the game.

If he said he was concerned about the rain, at least that would be a reason. It would still be incredibly conservative though… and kicking long FGs in the rain aint easy either. The offense needs more than a 1-play opportunity to get in better position (which is what we did to ourselves by draining clock esp. at 3rd and 2).

And being concerned about the offense is tough for me at that point in the game. We had two drives before that. One that was effectively killed by a penalty, and a TD drive where Brock made a good play… which was the last possession.

Yeah I was just playing devil's advocate.

Although some people assume I blamed Jimmy for 100% our playoff struggles, I gave Kyle a similar share of the blame pie for those losses.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
there are plenty other before half situations that went right. Nothing is 100%

He's a great coach. But take for a second the Browns game this year. We ran down the clock instead of trying to get closer, all while knowing the elements and having a rookie kicker. I criticized that decision before the kick.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Just ironic coming from faithful when he defends the DC who makes Kyle look like the coaching version of Brett Favre.

Yeah I'm not very high on Wilks and even less high on convincing f6 he's being hypocritical.

LFG Kyle

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Why do we do this when we can easily observe NFL coaches across the league employing the opposite strategy? They're 'experts' too. It's not like faithful is out on a limb here.

No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

well if Shanny was consistently bad.. would wouldn't be winning nor get as far as we do. There's def more good than bad

Don't we lead the league in scoring before the end of the half?

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Ya dude you definitely know better 😂

Why do we do this when we can easily observe NFL coaches across the league employing the opposite strategy? They're 'experts' too. It's not like faithful is out on a limb here.

No no. It's heresy to contradict our coaches. Clearly Shanahan was in complete control of the situation. The sheep believe in him completely.

well if Shanny was consistently bad.. would wouldn't be winning nor get as far as we do. There's def more good than bad

Not saying that. But it's obvious that his game clock management, particularly at the end of halves, stinks.