49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Argh paywall was enjoying that

https://archive.ph/FPhB2

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

I wonder if the reduced play action is to take advantage of the pass without relying on it, and making play action more effective each time it used?

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

JTO doesn't like that motion cause it gives up 5 yards for no reason to our best offensive weapon. He understands that the idea is to get the LBs out of the middle of the field he just doesn't understand why he wouldn't just put him closer to the LoS so CMC or Deebo can get into their route quicker.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Argh paywall was enjoying that

https://archive.ph/FPhB2

Fantastic, thanks man

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Question is who would be Coach's Kolber

Gracie Hunt. Holy s**t balls is she hot.

Originally posted by Phoenix49ers:

Originally posted by Dirtydonedirtcheap69:
Argh paywall was enjoying that

https://archive.ph/FPhB2

Thanks a lot!
Great article on Kyle.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

JTO doesn't like that motion cause it gives up 5 yards for no reason to our best offensive weapon. He understands that the idea is to get the LBs out of the middle of the field he just doesn't understand why he wouldn't just put him closer to the LoS so CMC or Deebo can get into their route quicker.

My guess is putting CMC five yards behind the LoS is done to draw the zone defender on CMC's side of the formation closer to the LoS. Meaning, if the defender wants to reduce the space between himself and CMC, he needs to step closer to the line of scrimmage, which then opens up more space in the underneath zones. This is, in effect, the same effect as playaction since playaction also causes the defender to step closer to the LoS. I don't think it's about CMC getting into his route quicker. It's about Brock not having to turn around to execute the playaction (there is no playaction), while gaining the benefit of playaction (defender creeps closer to the LoS). The article touches on this.

The other part, and I think I heard Kyle say this, is that CMC five yards behind the LoS and motioning out creates a conflict for the defense in that they don't know whether to treat it as a single back formation, or empty. And depending on what the defense does in reaction to this, it gives Kyle information to do stuff.

Originally posted by thl408:
My guess is putting CMC five yards behind the LoS is done to draw the zone defender on CMC's side of the formation closer to the LoS. Meaning, if the defender wants to reduce the space between himself and CMC, he needs to step closer to the line of scrimmage, which then opens up more space in the underneath zones. This is, in effect, the same effect as playaction since playaction also causes the defender to step closer to the LoS. I don't think it's about CMC getting into his route quicker. It's about Brock not having to turn around to execute the playaction (there is no playaction), while gaining the benefit of playaction (defender creeps closer to the LoS). The article touches on this.

The other part, and I think I heard Kyle say this, is that CMC five yards behind the LoS and motioning out creates a conflict for the defense in that they don't know whether to treat it as a single back formation, or empty. And depending on what the defense does in reaction to this, it gives Kyle information to do stuff.

Makes total sense. But since Mike Martz didn't do it it's hard to comprehend for others.

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

JTO doesn't like that motion cause it gives up 5 yards for no reason to our best offensive weapon. He understands that the idea is to get the LBs out of the middle of the field he just doesn't understand why he wouldn't just put him closer to the LoS so CMC or Deebo can get into their route quicker.

My guess is putting CMC five yards behind the LoS is done to draw the zone defender on CMC's side of the formation closer to the LoS. Meaning, if the defender wants to reduce the space between himself and CMC, he needs to step closer to the line of scrimmage, which then opens up more space in the underneath zones. This is, in effect, the same effect as playaction since playaction also causes the defender to step closer to the LoS. I don't think it's about CMC getting into his route quicker. It's about Brock not having to turn around to execute the playaction (there is no playaction), while gaining the benefit of playaction (defender creeps closer to the LoS). The article touches on this.

Interesting. I sided with Kyle whenever JTO complained about it cause genuinely think Kyle's brilliant when it comes to football design. Just wanted to let you know why JTO did not like that motion. He also hates 7 step drops, Kyle's tradition drop back passing game, Deebos effort and seems to be really butt hurt Juice went to Cabo with Kyle. Other than that he loves us he's a big Brock supporter.

Andy Reid = darth vader
Kyle Shanahan = luke

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

JTO doesn't like that motion cause it gives up 5 yards for no reason to our best offensive weapon. He understands that the idea is to get the LBs out of the middle of the field he just doesn't understand why he wouldn't just put him closer to the LoS so CMC or Deebo can get into their route quicker.

My guess is putting CMC five yards behind the LoS is done to draw the zone defender on CMC's side of the formation closer to the LoS. Meaning, if the defender wants to reduce the space between himself and CMC, he needs to step closer to the line of scrimmage, which then opens up more space in the underneath zones. This is, in effect, the same effect as playaction since playaction also causes the defender to step closer to the LoS. I don't think it's about CMC getting into his route quicker. It's about Brock not having to turn around to execute the playaction (there is no playaction), while gaining the benefit of playaction (defender creeps closer to the LoS). The article touches on this.

Interesting. I sided with Kyle whenever JTO complained about it cause genuinely think Kyle's brilliant when it comes to football design. Just wanted to let you know why JTO did not like that motion. He also hates 7 step drops, Kyle's tradition drop back passing game, Deebos effort and seems to be really butt hurt Juice went to Cabo with Kyle. Other than that he loves us he's a big Brock supporter.

Got it. It does look weird, because he's right, why put any route runner 5 yards behind the LoS? It seems counterproductive. The death of the pro set formation (split back backfields) was because offenses wanted the fullback to get into his route sooner (birth of the slot WR). But I think we all know Kyle does things for a reason and whatever the reason is has more pros than cons, in his mind.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Originally posted by thl408:
It's a long-ish article, but if anyone wants to know why Kyle does the things he does, they should read it. I wish the article delved a bit more into the running game.
I don't watch JT OSullivan breakdowns but I've read folks here say that he doesn't like the bumper motion that CMC does, and that JTO doesn't know why it's done. Read the article to find out why and how it allows this year's 49er offense to not require using playaction as much.

JTO doesn't like that motion cause it gives up 5 yards for no reason to our best offensive weapon. He understands that the idea is to get the LBs out of the middle of the field he just doesn't understand why he wouldn't just put him closer to the LoS so CMC or Deebo can get into their route quicker.

My guess is putting CMC five yards behind the LoS is done to draw the zone defender on CMC's side of the formation closer to the LoS. Meaning, if the defender wants to reduce the space between himself and CMC, he needs to step closer to the line of scrimmage, which then opens up more space in the underneath zones. This is, in effect, the same effect as playaction since playaction also causes the defender to step closer to the LoS. I don't think it's about CMC getting into his route quicker. It's about Brock not having to turn around to execute the playaction (there is no playaction), while gaining the benefit of playaction (defender creeps closer to the LoS). The article touches on this.

Interesting. I sided with Kyle whenever JTO complained about it cause genuinely think Kyle's brilliant when it comes to football design. Just wanted to let you know why JTO did not like that motion. He also hates 7 step drops, Kyle's tradition drop back passing game, Deebos effort and seems to be really butt hurt Juice went to Cabo with Kyle. Other than that he loves us he's a big Brock supporter.

This is something that has always annoyed me about the QB School videos about Brock. JTO acts like Kyle does these things for s**ts and giggles.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Interesting. I sided with Kyle whenever JTO complained about it cause genuinely think Kyle's brilliant when it comes to football design. Just wanted to let you know why JTO did not like that motion. He also hates 7 step drops, Kyle's tradition drop back passing game, Deebos effort and seems to be really butt hurt Juice went to Cabo with Kyle. Other than that he loves us he's a big Brock supporter.

He's not wrong on some of his critics. Like for example against the Lions, there was a play with Juice running what was supposed to be a corner route. You're in the NFCCG and your FB is used as a WR. I mean ok. Deebo's non effort when he knows he won't get the ball is hard to not see if you watch him. Just think about the Purdy's scramble run in the third quarter. Guys like Kittle, Jennings, Juice or CMC are the total opposite for example.
And yes he's a big supporter of Purdy since his Iowa State's days. That's also why he hates the 7 steps drops. JTO wants Kyle to protect Purdy because he knows he's the key to this team winning the Superbowl.

Originally posted by pdc20:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Interesting. I sided with Kyle whenever JTO complained about it cause genuinely think Kyle's brilliant when it comes to football design. Just wanted to let you know why JTO did not like that motion. He also hates 7 step drops, Kyle's tradition drop back passing game, Deebos effort and seems to be really butt hurt Juice went to Cabo with Kyle. Other than that he loves us he's a big Brock supporter.

He's not wrong on some of his critics. Like for example against the Lions, there was a play with Juice running what was supposed to be a corner route. You're in the NFCCG and your FB is used as a WR. I mean ok. Deebo's non effort when he knows he won't get the ball is hard to not see if you watch him. Just think about the Purdy's scramble run in the third quarter. Guys like Kittle, Jennings, Juice or CMC are the total opposite for example.
And yes he's a big supporter of Purdy since his Iowa State's days. That's also why he hates the 7 steps drops. JTO wants Kyle to protect Purdy because he knows he's the key to this team winning the Superbowl.

Oh I agree on Deebos effort and the corner route that became the scramble drill crosser cause Juice got handled was a fair criticism. I do enjoy JTOs breakdowns as well as all the other back up QBs that have made YouTube channels they all seem to say the same s**t about Brock that he's way better than people give him credit for.

Originally posted by ninerFate:
Interesting article

https://www.theringer.com/nfl/2024/2/7/24064256/super-bowl-preview-kyle-shanahan-offense-evolution-san-francisco-49ers

Wow, this was a really good read.