49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
We have the 2nd most false start penalties in the league. Procedural penalties are a direct result of coaching.

1. SF
3. KC
5. SEA

These are the league leaders in total penalties so far.

I guess Andy Reid & Pete Carroll don't know how to coach.

More like you don't know how to read the whole thread. If you can find somewhere that I said these were Shanny's fault, you could make that claim.

So Carroll and Reid have bad staffs? Belickick has a bad staff?

The facts don't back up your statement.

This was with regards to false start penalties. NOT total penalties. I suppose I can repeat my self for you, Donnie. Procedural penalties are a result of bad coaching. KC and NE each have 46% fewer FALSE STARTS. Seattle has 28% fewer FALSE STARTS. Sounds to me like their OL coaches do a better job than ours, whom I've not been impressed with. Do you simply read anything you can to argue? If so, work on your reading comprehension.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

We have the 2nd most false start penalties in the league. Procedural penalties are a direct result of coaching.

1. SF
3. KC
5. SEA

These are the league leaders in total penalties so far.

I guess Andy Reid & Pete Carroll don't know how to coach.

More like you don't know how to read the whole thread. If you can find somewhere that I said these were Shanny's fault, you could make that claim.

So Carroll and Reid have bad staffs? Belickick has a bad staff?

The facts don't back up your statement.

This was with regards to false start penalties. NOT total penalties. I suppose I can repeat my self for you, Donnie. Procedural penalties are a result of bad coaching. KC and NE each have 46% fewer FALSE STARTS. Seattle has 28% fewer FALSE STARTS.

Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice.

discipline

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Exactly, its more complicated than being "directly attributed to coaching". Just a false statement IMO.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

you shouldn't have to coach that in the NFL. you learn that s**t in frickin PeeWee football

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Exactly, its more complicated than being "directly attributed to coaching". Just a false statement IMO.

What exactly do you think coaches are responsible foe?

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Exactly, its more complicated than being "directly attributed to coaching". Just a false statement IMO.

What exactly do you think coaches are responsible foe?

gameplanning, gameplanning and more gameplanning - there's so much involved in game-planning it's ridiculous.... Also, teaching technique, thorough understanding of the playbook and when to execute different techniques in those playcalls and against different looks from the opponent. Position coaches diagnosing plays and when one of their positions fails during a game and why they failed so that an adjustment can be made. Running drills to teach technique.

There's so much more that goes into coaching than talking to players about penalties. You can't do much to practice guys not forgetting the snap count.

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

LMFAO! You don't think they practice that? Or that the penalties dont get brought up? That is on the player. He has know what a snap count was all of his life, and if there is holding that s on the player too.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

LMFAO! You don't think they practice that? Or that the penalties dont get brought up? That is on the player. He has know what a snap count was all of his life, and if there is holding that s on the player too.

I am not sure how much lays at the coaches feet but the team is sloppy and undisciplined. Over the years I have heard those characteristics blamed on organizational culture (eg: The Raiders). The roster sucks and I am sure that plays a big part and the new system and new players do as well. We should see improvement as the year goes on and if the team improves the roster.

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

LMFAO! You don't think they practice that? Or that the penalties dont get brought up? That is on the player. He has know what a snap count was all of his life, and if there is holding that s on the player too.

I am not sure how much lays at the coaches feet but the team is sloppy and undisciplined. Over the years I have heard those characteristics blamed on organizational culture (eg: The Raiders). The roster sucks and I am sure that plays a big part and the new system and new players do as well. We should see improvement as the year goes on and if the team improves the roster.

We'll, they don't have a lot of quality options to do that during the year. They already dumped a ton of players and brought in a ton of new faces. Until next off-season not much gonna happen here.

Originally posted by jonnydel:

Originally posted by TheWooLick:

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:

Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

LMFAO! You don't think they practice that? Or that the penalties dont get brought up? That is on the player. He has know what a snap count was all of his life, and if there is holding that s on the player too.

I am not sure how much lays at the coaches feet but the team is sloppy and undisciplined. Over the years I have heard those characteristics blamed on organizational culture (eg: The Raiders). The roster sucks and I am sure that plays a big part and the new system and new players do as well. We should see improvement as the year goes on and if the team improves the roster.

We'll, they don't have a lot of quality options to do that during the year. They already dumped a ton of players and brought in a ton of new faces. Until next off-season not much gonna happen here.

True, I was thinking we should see improvements this year as the HC and player gain experience and improve and as the team gets comfortable in the new systems.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

What exactly do you think coaches are responsible foe?

Crappy players tend to commit penalties at a higher level. Poor OL lack the necessary skills and are forced to grab and hold for dear life. Poor players in general have poor situational awareness and are prone to mental lapses.


When you have a roster like this one with a combination of mediocre to poor veterans and so many first or second year players, penalties are pretty much a way of life.

Originally posted by mojave45:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by Niners816:

Originally posted by DonnieDarko:
Right, and I suppose that has nothing to do with having rookies and below average starters? Its all coaching?

There are many factors involved. You're just making a broad statement.

I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start? Every player knows it's bad. Do you just bench the multi offender.....in our case, that's gonna leave a pretty big hole in an already lack luster group.

IMO, there's way more to penalites then coaching. About the only penalites I could see attributing to coach's would be alignment penalites (illegal formation/shifts and clock penalites if the calls aren't getting in). Holds and false starts are on the player.

Practice timing.

LMFAO! You don't think they practice that? Or that the penalties dont get brought up? That is on the player. He has know what a snap count was all of his life, and if there is holding that s on the player too.

I was answering the other posters question "I'd like to know how a coach makes a guy not false start?" Practice timing.

As to your question, I am sure they are practicing it, but that doesn't mean it is effective. That is on shanny. When you have an entire team last in penalties that is on the coach.

Its like saying a teacher isn't responsible for 25/30 students failing the class. But if its like 4-5 students and the rest are passing it doesn't reflect poorly on the teacher.