49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by jonnydel:

gameplanning, gameplanning and more gameplanning - there's so much involved in game-planning it's ridiculous.... Also, teaching technique, thorough understanding of the playbook and when to execute different techniques in those playcalls and against different looks from the opponent. Position coaches diagnosing plays and when one of their positions fails during a game and why they failed so that an adjustment can be made. Running drills to teach technique.

There's so much more that goes into coaching than talking to players about penalties. You can't do much to practice guys not forgetting the snap count.

You don't think practice helps guys with snap counts? Interesting.

No, I really don't. Because you're not going to always snap the ball on the same count. You mix it up from play to play and it's the responsibility of the players to remember that when they break the huddle and the QB to clearly communicate it.

This is something you're taught in football from friggin 5 years old. If they havent gotten it from the first 20,000 reps (no exaggeration) then 5 more each day in practice ain't doing squat.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:
You don't think practice helps guys with snap counts? Interesting.

Its kind of like saying "you don't think practice helps NBA players with their layups?"

If you're in the NBA and you are struggling to make layups, coaching is not your issue. There is a certain point where you have to hold a player responsible for their own personal development or lack of it.

What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I wouldn't lose faith in his competence of NFL offenses BUT he needs to make MAJOR adjustments. He needs a coaching staff with more experience; ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball. Lynch needs to be more aggressive in fixing the interior o-line and drafting FOOTBALL players instead of twinkle toed athletes. I see a lot of promise in Shanny but needs better people around him. I cannot say the same for Lynch....Maybe Adam Peters can take over for Lynch in the future. (although lynch has a six year contract)

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

if we don't, might as well go for the Bucs record

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

if we don't, might as well go for the Bucs record

and i bet you that the browns will still get the #1 pick.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

if we don't, might as well go for the Bucs record

and i bet you that the browns will still get the #1 pick.

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

. I don't think the 49ers can out brown the Browns.

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I won't. Hopefully it doesn't come to that.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I wouldn't lose faith in his competence of NFL offenses BUT he needs to make MAJOR adjustments. He needs a coaching staff with more experience; ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball. Lynch needs to be more aggressive in fixing the interior o-line and drafting FOOTBALL players instead of twinkle toed athletes. I see a lot of promise in Shanny but needs better people around him. I cannot say the same for Lynch....Maybe Adam Peters can take over for Lynch in the future. (although lynch has a six year contract)

KS was hired so late in the cycle that the choices were pretty limited. I expect to see staff changes during the off-season, beginning with DC.

We knew Lynch was inexperiences, and so did he. That is why he brought in Peters and Mayhew. I'm sure he is listening to those guys. If you notice, every time they cameras show the press box, Lynch is sitting between those two guys.

Lot of work yet to do.

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I wouldn't lose faith in his competence of NFL offenses BUT he needs to make MAJOR adjustments. He needs a coaching staff with more experience; ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball. Lynch needs to be more aggressive in fixing the interior o-line and drafting FOOTBALL players instead of twinkle toed athletes. I see a lot of promise in Shanny but needs better people around him. I cannot say the same for Lynch....Maybe Adam Peters can take over for Lynch in the future. (although lynch has a six year contract)

KS was hired so late in the cycle that the choices were pretty limited. I expect to see staff changes during the off-season, beginning with DC.

We knew Lynch was inexperiences, and so did he. That is why he brought in Peters and Mayhew. I'm sure he is listening to those guys. If you notice, every time they cameras show the press box, Lynch is sitting between those two guys.

Lot of work yet to do.

And that's why i cannot evaluate him until 2018. His coaching staff is mediocre at best. There's a part of me that hopes he switches back to the 3-4 and have fangio come back. However, since they drafted thomas, they're going to be a 4-3 personell.

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I wouldn't lose faith in his competence of NFL offenses BUT he needs to make MAJOR adjustments. He needs a coaching staff with more experience; ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball. Lynch needs to be more aggressive in fixing the interior o-line and drafting FOOTBALL players instead of twinkle toed athletes. I see a lot of promise in Shanny but needs better people around him. I cannot say the same for Lynch....Maybe Adam Peters can take over for Lynch in the future. (although lynch has a six year contract)

KS was hired so late in the cycle that the choices were pretty limited. I expect to see staff changes during the off-season, beginning with DC.

We knew Lynch was inexperiences, and so did he. That is why he brought in Peters and Mayhew. I'm sure he is listening to those guys. If you notice, every time they cameras show the press box, Lynch is sitting between those two guys.

Lot of work yet to do.

And that's why i cannot evaluate him until 2018. His coaching staff is mediocre at best. There's a part of me that hopes he switches back to the 3-4 and have fangio come back. However, since they drafted thomas, they're going to be a 4-3 personell.

Fangio shows a lot of 4-3 looks so I don't believe it would be that hard to transition to.

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by dj43:

Originally posted by pdizo916:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:

What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I wouldn't lose faith in his competence of NFL offenses BUT he needs to make MAJOR adjustments. He needs a coaching staff with more experience; ESPECIALLY on the defensive side of the ball. Lynch needs to be more aggressive in fixing the interior o-line and drafting FOOTBALL players instead of twinkle toed athletes. I see a lot of promise in Shanny but needs better people around him. I cannot say the same for Lynch....Maybe Adam Peters can take over for Lynch in the future. (although lynch has a six year contract)

KS was hired so late in the cycle that the choices were pretty limited. I expect to see staff changes during the off-season, beginning with DC.

We knew Lynch was inexperiences, and so did he. That is why he brought in Peters and Mayhew. I'm sure he is listening to those guys. If you notice, every time they cameras show the press box, Lynch is sitting between those two guys.

Lot of work yet to do.

And that's why i cannot evaluate him until 2018. His coaching staff is mediocre at best. There's a part of me that hopes he switches back to the 3-4 and have fangio come back. However, since they drafted thomas, they're going to be a 4-3 personell.

Fangio shows a lot of 4-3 looks so I don't believe it would be that hard to transition to.

Agreed. Fangio or not.

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I think the mistake in this reasoning is that you assume that we should start with confidence in a coach, and that he can keep it or lose it. Why?

I start with NO confidence in players, coaches, or the team. They earn it on past good performance and victories. If they lose they keep their default"no confidence" status. It's worse when they come with high expectations and plaudits about "talent" and "genius". Then they have to do even more to earn my confidence. They're geniuses, aren't they not? This should be easy for geniuses.

Shanahan has done little so far to earn my confidence. Some short stretches here and there, but overall I see a team of sloppy losers. When he starts to deliver professional performances and victories, hey presto, here's my confidence.

The problem with these threads is that people have a tendency to confuse supporting the team with taking its crap when it's crap. I'm not going to accept 0-7 , leading the league in penalties, or worse, "moral victories". I root for the team... to win. If they don't, I get upset. Then by the next gametime I root for the team again. To win. Properly, not morally. And not for high draft picks either.

These narratives of "progress", "moral victories", "trusting processes", and "potential" are unacceptable to me as a supporter and a consumer. They are maintained to keep getting my money and my emotional investment in the team and accept an inferior product. Forget about it.

People make fun of Philadelphia fans (of whom I'm one in baseball) because of their bitterness. I say they are the best fans. They suffer (and pay for) because of incredibly sloppy performances and long stretches of no success, and they make their unhappiness clear. Why should they have to be happy about it?

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:

What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I think the mistake in this reasoning is that you assume that we should start with confidence in a coach, and that he can keep it or lose it. Why?

I start with NO confidence in players, coaches, or the team. They earn it on past good performance and victories. If they lose they keep their default"no confidence" status. It's worse when they come with high expectations and plaudits about "talent" and "genius". Then they have to do even more to earn my confidence. They're geniuses, aren't they not? This should be easy for geniuses.

Shanahan has done little so far to earn my confidence. Some short stretches here and there, but overall I see a team of sloppy losers. When he starts to deliver professional performances and victories, hey presto, here's my confidence.

The problem with these threads is that people have a tendency to confuse supporting the team with taking its crap when it's crap. I'm not going to accept 0-7 , leading the league in penalties, or worse, "moral victories". I root for the team... to win. If they don't, I get upset. Then by the next gametime I root for the team again. To win. Properly, not morally. And not for high draft picks either.

These narratives of "progress", "moral victories", "trusting processes", and "potential" are unacceptable to me as a supporter and a consumer. They are maintained to keep getting my money and my emotional investment in the team and accept an inferior product. Forget about it.

People make fun of Philadelphia fans (of whom I'm one in baseball) because of their bitterness. I say they are the best fans. They suffer (and pay for) because of incredibly sloppy performances and long stretches of no success, and they make their unhappiness clear. Why should they have to be happy about it?

Solid post.