49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Rascal:

How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

U expected way too much with crap for talent

Originally posted by Rascal:
How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

Unreal. Chip gets criticised for coming to a garbage, much worse roster with 1 backup QB and 1 injured and dysfunctional starter on the cusp of major controversy and yet this offensive "genius" and the rookie GM hand picked over half of the roster and handpicked every QB to a tee and yet they can't even muster a single win so far. I mean wtf?!? This is such a joke of a regime.

Anyone that can possibly talk crap about Chip while defending these guys is beyond reasoning considering the latter guys literally had every chance of at least minimal success from the jump. I mean look at what they had to begin with compared to Chip:

• Roster upgraded to their desires. Why get new players if they truly believe the new players weren't upgrades? LOL
• 6-year contract assurance, i.e. minimal executive stress coming from the top!
• Minimal distractions compared to last season. Compared to what Kap brought to the team last season, it's minimal!
• Zero expectations compared to last season.

Originally posted by awp8912:

Originally posted by Rascal:

How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

Unreal. Chip gets criticised for coming to a garbage, much worse roster with 1 backup QB and 1 injured and dysfunctional starter on the cusp of major controversy and yet this offensive "genius" and the rookie GM hand picked over half of the roster and handpicked every QB to a tee and yet they can't even muster a single win so far. I mean wtf?!? This is such a joke of a regime.

Anyone that can possibly talk crap about Chip while defending these guys is beyond reasoning considering the latter guys literally had every chance of at least minimal success from the jump. I mean look at what they had to begin with compared to Chip:

• Roster upgraded to their desires. Why get new players if they truly believe the new players weren't upgrades? LOL
• 6-year contract assurance, i.e. minimal executive stress coming from the top!
• Minimal distractions compared to last season. Compared to what Kap brought to the team last season, it's minimal!
• Zero expectations compared to last season.

This b******t is hilarious....every time you write it. It's almost like you think it's fact. The handpicked statement is so ridiculously stupid. Every signing by every FO is essentially handpicked. This current roster isn't better than last year. The fact that you think you can totally turnover a roster in one offseason speaks volumes and shows you do not have a realistic understanding of football.

As for the offensive genius dig.....as far as PRO football goes Chip isn't in the same galaxy as Kyle. Never has been.

Originally posted by Rascal:

How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

Everyone on this board seems to think penalties have absolutely nothing to do with coaching. They think coaches just game plan.

Originally posted by Niners816:
This b******t is hilarious....every time you write it. It's almost like you think it's fact. The handpicked statement is so ridiculously stupid. Every signing by every FO is essentially handpicked. This current roster isn't better than last year. The fact that you think you can totally turnover a roster in one offseason speaks volumes and shows you do not have a realistic understanding of football.

As for the offensive genius dig.....as far as PRO football goes Chip isn't in the same galaxy as Kyle. Never has been.

No last season we can easily conclude Chip did not handpick the minimal signings that were made despite the boatload of cash we had that Baalke refused to budge on. The current roster is clearly better than last year. How can you deny this? No one was denying this before the season started....no one .

The 2017 draft picks alone make that statement true much less the Hoyer/Garcon/Goodwin/etc singings. And ironically if you really pretend that this roster is worse why would they overhaul so much of it to their liking if last season was better? They literally replaced over 50% of last year's roster. Who replaces better talent for worse?

Are you saying they are so bad at picking talent that they picked worse talent than a 2-14 team who had both their offense and defense ranked dead to second last in the entire league last season?

Are they horrible coaches or horrible judge of talent?

They have to be at least one, though I suspect they are both.

I expect a loss tomorrow but if we go into the bye week without a win I'm going to get nervous...

Originally posted by awp8912:

No last season we can easily conclude Chip did not handpick the minimal signings that were made despite the boatload of cash we had that Baalke refused to budge on. The current roster is clearly better than last year. How can you deny this? No one was denying this before the season started....no one .

The 2017 draft picks alone make that statement true much less the Hoyer/Garcon/Goodwin/etc singings. And ironically if you really pretend that this roster is worse why would they overhaul so much of it to their liking if last season was better? They literally replaced over 50% of last year's roster. Who replaces better talent for worse?

Are you saying they are so bad at picking talent that they picked worse talent than a 2-14 team who had both their offense and defense ranked dead to second last in the entire league last season?

Are they horrible coaches or horrible judge of talent?

They have to be at least one, though I suspect they are both.

No, it doesn't have to be one....history says a total rebuild takes longer than one off season. Both roster are s**t and you purge a roster that doesn't have enough nfl talent on it. There's not enough draft picks to replenish it all in one draft cycle. Same goes for free agency. You just don't spend money to spend it.....you aim to spend it on good talent. That's also in limited supply because one team isn't gonna sign 50% of the best 30 guys in the FA market.

If you just want to compare first and second round talent between the 2 rosters last year had 16 first and second rounders. This year currently has 14 and that's just because the 2 recent signings (Jones and Hall) bumped this number up. Chip did get a raw deal here but making it sound like we've got some greatly imporoved roster doesn't reflect reality. Also, despite getting 2 wins.....Chip's team didn't put together 5 efforts like the ones we already saw this year. Chip had about 75% non competitive games.

Originally posted by awp8912:

No last season we can easily conclude Chip did not handpick the minimal signings that were made despite the boatload of cash we had that Baalke refused to budge on. The current roster is clearly better than last year. How can you deny this? No one was denying this before the season started....no one .

The 2017 draft picks alone make that statement true much less the Hoyer/Garcon/Goodwin/etc singings. And ironically if you really pretend that this roster is worse why would they overhaul so much of it to their liking if last season was better? They literally replaced over 50% of last year's roster. Who replaces better talent for worse?

Are you saying they are so bad at picking talent that they picked worse talent than a 2-14 team who had both their offense and defense ranked dead to second last in the entire league last season?

Are they horrible coaches or horrible judge of talent?

They have to be at least one, though I suspect they are both.

Speaking of being a horrible judge of talent...

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Rascal:
How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

Everyone on this board seems to think penalties have absolutely nothing to do with coaching. They think coaches just game plan.

Coaches are only as good as their players.

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by awp8912:

No last season we can easily conclude Chip did not handpick the minimal signings that were made despite the boatload of cash we had that Baalke refused to budge on. The current roster is clearly better than last year. How can you deny this? No one was denying this before the season started....no one .

The 2017 draft picks alone make that statement true much less the Hoyer/Garcon/Goodwin/etc singings. And ironically if you really pretend that this roster is worse why would they overhaul so much of it to their liking if last season was better? They literally replaced over 50% of last year's roster. Who replaces better talent for worse?

Are you saying they are so bad at picking talent that they picked worse talent than a 2-14 team who had both their offense and defense ranked dead to second last in the entire league last season?

Are they horrible coaches or horrible judge of talent?

They have to be at least one, though I suspect they are both.

Speaking of being a horrible judge of talent...

This thread keeps bringing the lolz.

On the roster side of things, we've let go of several superior talents to give our rookies a headstart in their development. Guys like Taylor, Breida, Kittle etc might have higher potential than the likes of McDonald, Hightower, Kerley etc, but currently the latter would be superior at NFL level until those rookies get snaps behind them.

So all up I wouldn't say that our roster this year is without doubt better. It's better in some areas, worse in others, but with a higher level of potential imo.

And please don't broken record 2-14 in response. We beat the 2016 Rams - twice. If we go 0-16 this year that will be the only difference and considering the improvement in the Rams that wouldn't exactly be a shock.

Originally posted by ronniefreakinlott42:

Originally posted by Rascal:
How is he doing a good job?

We are soon to be 0-8.

We are also one of the least disciplined teams in the league. We rank 2nd in the most number of penalties per game at 8.3 after Seattle.

Everyone on this board seems to think penalties have absolutely nothing to do with coaching. They think coaches just game plan.

they are also supposed to teach and some the penalties have nothing to do with our youth, we saw that lack of discipline spill over to some sideline drama last week. but of course many refuse to look at that. lots of denial and deflection

Originally posted by susweel:

Originally posted by Young2Rice:

Originally posted by paulk205:

Originally posted by mrbusinessman499:
What if we don't win a game this year? Will any of y'all lose confidence in Kyle?

I think the mistake in this reasoning is that you assume that we should start with confidence in a coach, and that he can keep it or lose it. Why?

I start with NO confidence in players, coaches, or the team. They earn it on past good performance and victories. If they lose they keep their default"no confidence" status. It's worse when they come with high expectations and plaudits about "talent" and "genius". Then they have to do even more to earn my confidence. They're geniuses, aren't they not? This should be easy for geniuses.

Shanahan has done little so far to earn my confidence. Some short stretches here and there, but overall I see a team of sloppy losers. When he starts to deliver professional performances and victories, hey presto, here's my confidence.

The problem with these threads is that people have a tendency to confuse supporting the team with taking its crap when it's crap. I'm not going to accept 0-7 , leading the league in penalties, or worse, "moral victories". I root for the team... to win. If they don't, I get upset. Then by the next gametime I root for the team again. To win. Properly, not morally. And not for high draft picks either.

These narratives of "progress", "moral victories", "trusting processes", and "potential" are unacceptable to me as a supporter and a consumer. They are maintained to keep getting my money and my emotional investment in the team and accept an inferior product. Forget about it.

People make fun of Philadelphia fans (of whom I'm one in baseball) because of their bitterness. I say they are the best fans. They suffer (and pay for) because of incredibly sloppy performances and long stretches of no success, and they make their unhappiness clear. Why should they have to be happy about it?

Solid post.

+1

perfect post. of course we are trolls but thats besides the point

Originally posted by Sunshine:

Originally posted by awp8912:

No last season we can easily conclude Chip did not handpick the minimal signings that were made despite the boatload of cash we had that Baalke refused to budge on. The current roster is clearly better than last year. How can you deny this? No one was denying this before the season started....no one .

The 2017 draft picks alone make that statement true much less the Hoyer/Garcon/Goodwin/etc singings. And ironically if you really pretend that this roster is worse why would they overhaul so much of it to their liking if last season was better? They literally replaced over 50% of last year's roster. Who replaces better talent for worse?

Are you saying they are so bad at picking talent that they picked worse talent than a 2-14 team who had both their offense and defense ranked dead to second last in the entire league last season?

Are they horrible coaches or horrible judge of talent?

They have to be at least one, though I suspect they are both.

Speaking of being a horrible judge of talent...

Kyle is the boss.

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-open-to-moving-veterans-at-trade-deadline-but-other-teams-not-optimistic/