49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Waterbear:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

LOL.. never agree with a Cohn article if it's anti Jimmy G... but anti Kyle? #Truth

Too predictable.

The article is straight up truth.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

Yup. Let's see with the DC hire if we get a strong minded individual who is empowered to run it on their own or a guy that Kyle will micromanage and put restrictions on.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

Yup. Let's see with the DC hire if we get a strong minded individual who is empowered to run it on their own or a guy that Kyle will micromanage and put restrictions on.

Any DC worth his salt will want his scheme and guys. I am not saying he wont keep guys who are already here, but realistically you bring in some of your people too. This does sound like an internal hire at this point.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

Yup. Let's see with the DC hire if we get a strong minded individual who is empowered to run it on their own or a guy that Kyle will micromanage and put restrictions on.

Any DC worth his salt will want his scheme and guys. I am not saying he wont keep guys who are already here, but realistically you bring in some of your people too. This does sound like an internal hire at this point.

It would be better to have a guy who runs your scheme. But that's Kyle's fault for hiring a guy from a different scheme. Then constantly over ruling him and micro managing him.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

You would have been calling for Reid's head in PHI and KC prior to PM

Kyle can't win the big game.

Neither could Reid until he did. You would have been the first person running Reid out of town

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Neither could Reid until he did. You would have been the first person running Reid out of town

The Reid comp fails when it comes to SF and Shanny. Reid had to get fired from PHI. He won zero SBs. There is no guarantee he would have ever won SBs in PHI.

PHI moved on and won a SB without him. PHI moved on again with the guy who won a SB, and appeared in another.

I think it's a human tendency to want to put things in convenient boxes. It goes something like this: Reid had this path, and Kyle is also a ball coach. So Kyle will have the same path. I don't buy it for a second, and even if you do buy it, that means Kyle isn't winning here, cuz Reid didn't. So it fails no matter how you look at it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Neither could Reid until he did. You would have been the first person running Reid out of town

The Reid comp fails when it comes to SF and Shanny. Reid had to get fired from PHI. He won zero SBs. There is no guarantee he would have ever won SBs in PHI.

PHI moved on and won a SB without him. PHI moved on again with the guy who won a SB, and appeared in another.

I think it's a human tendency to want to put things in convenient boxes. It goes something like this: Reid had this path, and Kyle is also a ball coach. So Kyle will have the same path. I don't buy it for a second, and even if you do buy it, that means Kyle isn't winning here, cuz Reid didn't. So it fails no matter how you look at it.

Nah, it is a perfectly appropriate comparison as it pertains to certain posters exaggerated, tantrum like takes.

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nah, it is a perfectly appropriate comparison as it pertains to certain posters exaggerated, tantrum like takes.

Reid had his time in PHI. He got canned. PHI won without him. Maybe you are right, maybe it is a good comp

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nah, it is a perfectly appropriate comparison as it pertains to certain posters exaggerated, tantrum like takes.

Reid had his time in PHI. He got canned. PHI won without him. Maybe you are right, maybe it is a good comp

I just told you what the comp pertained to

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Hoovtrain:
Nah, it is a perfectly appropriate comparison as it pertains to certain posters exaggerated, tantrum like takes.

Reid had his time in PHI. He got canned. PHI won without him. Maybe you are right, maybe it is a good comp

32 head coaches. Fully half don't make the playoffs. Of those that manage to get their teams into the playoffs, only one wins the chip. Does Andy win the chip with another guy playing QB? I don't think so. Is that Kyle's fault? Again, I don't think so. KS has been very successful at getting the team in position to compete and win the chip. Who else are you going to hire that will have the success that KS has had? I blame the internet for exposing all these reactive, hairbrained, takes on the HC. Marv Levy would have been destroyed had the internet been around when he was coaching the Bills. As it is we get to read these couch experts tell us why so and so should be hired or fired and what players should be doing. How many of these so called experts go to their doctor and then tell him/her what they need and how to cure what ails them? If it's not your job, if you've not been in their shoes, why on earth do you think you know better?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Reid had his time in PHI. He got canned. PHI won without him. Maybe you are right, maybe it is a good comp

He didn't get fired for not winning a SB though. He got fired after a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season, about 8 years after the four consecutive title runs and SB appearance. In that 8 years he had two losing seasons and two 8-8 seasons.

It's flat out stupid to fire a coach who has the team in constant contention… especially without a top talent at QB, in today's game. The Eagles did not do this and neither will we. Have multiple losing seasons… fail to contend outside of a year or two over an 8 year period (like Reid did) and then a replacement would actually make sense.

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:

Originally posted by BP13:

Originally posted by SanDiego49er:
Shanahan is too controlling. According to the SI article. Yeah they are right. He micro manages and doesn't delegate. Andy Reid is the gold standard.

Grant Cohn wrote that article, not a good source

Whoever wrote the article it's the truth. He's a control freak who won't delegate. It's one reason why we lose.

Yup. Let's see with the DC hire if we get a strong minded individual who is empowered to run it on their own or a guy that Kyle will micromanage and put restrictions on.

Any DC worth his salt will want his scheme and guys. I am not saying he wont keep guys who are already here, but realistically you bring in some of your people too. This does sound like an internal hire at this point.

It would be better to have a guy who runs your scheme. But that's Kyle's fault for hiring a guy from a different scheme. Then constantly over ruling him and micro managing him.

Agreed.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
He didn't get fired for not winning a SB though. He got fired after a 4-12 season, following an 8-8 season, about 8 years after the four consecutive title runs and SB appearance. In that 8 years he had two losing seasons and two 8-8 seasons.

It's flat out stupid to fire a coach who has the team in constant contention… especially without a top talent at QB, in today's game. The Eagles did not do this and neither will we. Have multiple losing seasons… fail to contend outside of a year or two over an 8 year period (like Reid did) and then a replacement would actually make sense.

It's how Lynch got his SB ring. It's a question of will Kyle win a ring in SF? If he does, than it would be foolish to move. If he doesn't win a ring here, then it would be foolish to retain him. Unless you want to be also rans. The team has the talent to win the SB, just about coaching your best in the big moments. This is a team whose leaders said publicly they were not prepared for the big moment. Hard to watch that and think it's not a red flag. Same with many of his moments down the stretch in SB 58.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It's how Lynch got his SB ring. It's a question of will Kyle win a ring in SF? If he does, than it would be foolish to move. If he doesn't win a ring here, then it would be foolish to retain him. Unless you want to be also rans. The team has the talent to win the SB, just about coaching your best in the big moments. This is a team whose leaders said publicly they were not prepared for the big moment. Hard to watch that and think it's not a red flag. Same with many of his moments down the stretch in SB 58.

It's been weeks with you being shown that this is incorrect. We aren't losing just because of coaching errors, which come at the judgement of fans who don't even recognize the bulk of the criticisms are misplaced at best.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It's how Lynch got his SB ring. It's a question of will Kyle win a ring in SF? If he does, than it would be foolish to move. If he doesn't win a ring here, then it would be foolish to retain him. Unless you want to be also rans. The team has the talent to win the SB, just about coaching your best in the big moments. This is a team whose leaders said publicly they were not prepared for the big moment. Hard to watch that and think it's not a red flag. Same with many of his moments down the stretch in SB 58.

It's been weeks with you being shown that this is incorrect. We aren't losing just because of coaching errors, which come at the judgement of fans who don't even recognize the bulk of the criticisms are misplaced at best.

A 49er fan board is one of the few refuges on earth that would regard Kyle as something of a clutch coach. He's a good coach, but in big SB moments he tends to possibly 2nd guess himself, from all the times he's been burnt. So that's my difficulty with keeping him, he reliably can put us in bad spots in big games. It's almost like a Schottenheimer dilemma, who was a good coach, but got tight and cost his team in big moments. Marty Ball teams could rely on being competitive and not winning the chip, which feels like where we are now, also.