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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Eddie would have threatened or come this close, to firing his butt. He did that with Walsh in 87, and he Walsh actually won SBs. Putting your HC on notice it spurred the 88 and 89 teams to greatness. You don't have to fire him, but you do need to tell him that losing these 10 pt leads in SBs with guys not prepared or knowing OT rules is unacceptable and garbage.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by Sickaa:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Shanny is making sure no one stands in the way of KC's three-peat.
The Chiefs are just too good right now. They'll dominate for years to come the same way Brady and the Pats did.
No they won't. They were 9-6 at one point. Lucked out by facing a very injured Miami and Buffalo team in the playoffs, followed by a Baltimore team that shot itself in the foot over and over. And of course they faced the biggest choker in the league KS10 who doesn't know how to call an offense in the SB to save his life.
With many of the injured QBs eg Rodgers, Burrow, etc coming back next year, I doubt KC makes it back to the SB.
this is just our way of coping with losing to an inferior team. We just glamorize their dominance so it makes the loss feel acceptable…
Originally posted by dmax:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Eddie would have threatened or come this close, to firing his butt. He did that with Walsh in 87, and he Walsh actually won SBs. Putting your HC on notice it spurred the 88 and 89 teams to greatness. You don't have to fire him, but you do need to tell him that losing these 10 pt leads in SBs with guys not prepared or knowing OT rules is unacceptable and garbage.
eddie would have fired kyle after his recent choke job
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Maybe just maybe Grant might have a point.
But if Shanahan's issue is being too comfortable, how do you propose fixing it?
What does that really mean anyway?
The guy really wants to win the damn thing........can't imagine he's being lazy or not trying everything.
I honestly think the best course of action would be York having a very frank convo with Shanahan and Lynch about what the team needs to do to get over the hump, no one to be blamed......HOWEVER.....
Everything must be asked........is it the QB? The OL? Skill position groups? Defense? Playcalling in certain situations? Lack of a dedicated OC/playcaller?
IMO, everything should be brought up....kicking game, injuries, bad luck, etc.
And again, not with a tone of blame. We're all in this together.......nothing Kyle could say should ever get him fired (results in the future maybe, but not words).
This becomes a form of accountability where you're clearly defining what it is the team is missing to win it all.
I think the challenge here is that this is a much tougher cookie to crack than say this time in 1994 after the second Cowboys loss. Debartolo was pissed going down that elevator at Texas Stadium and wanted to do whatever it took to win it all the next year. It turned out it was mostly fixing the defense (mostly done via FA, Bryant Young in the draft).
The biggest question I have is how were the Chiefs able to slow down the 49ers dominant offense enough that we couldn't pull away from them?? Is this an issue of "we have a juggernaut offense in September, a great offense in December, a good offense in January, a decent offense in February"? I get that defenses in the postseason tighten up, but damn.....is KC's defense truly that f**king good?
This is where I think the OL issues are probably the answer.
To Kyle's critics - you shouldn't want radical change from him. Besides possibly losing confidence, you are very likely risking issues in other areas. IMO, it's still a game won/lost in the trenches and we've only focused on one side with the belief brains can overcome it.
It probably can't.
We'll probably find out Ben Johnson ain't all that without the Berlin Wall blocking for Goff and his guys.
Purdy is still very likely the guy, but in big high stakes games, gotta make things a little easier for him.
Eddie would have threatened or come this close, to firing his butt. He did that with Walsh in 87, and he Walsh actually won SBs. Putting your HC on notice it spurred the 88 and 89 teams to greatness. You don't have to fire him, but you do need to tell him that losing these 10 pt leads in SBs with guys not prepared or knowing OT rules is unacceptable and garbage.
Originally posted by dmax:
eddie would have fired kyle after his recent choke job
Originally posted by Montana:
Originally posted by dmax:
eddie would have fired kyle after his recent choke job
I have doubts Kyle can win it all at this point..2 choke jobs against the same team. It's so stupid, it feels intentional almost. We had the best players and he still couldn't get us over the top. Didn't run the damn ball. Wasted great players. Purdy brought this team back to life only to be dimmed in the last moments of the SB by Kyle's dumb ass play calling. I am not even sure I want Shanny anymore but who else would we get? The dumbest play calling ever in the last moments
Originally posted by genus49:
Here's the thing in the playoffs - it just takes 1 game.
People want to claim the Chiefs had a down year, they did. But this was the best defense by FAR that KC had under Mahomes.
Anyone blaming the loss on Kyle is taking the lazy way out. To me the team was prepared, they came out with a ton of energy and they were making plays. But one thing a coach cannot control is how players perform. You can prepare them, you can scheme them but in the end they have to make the plays.
We lost this game for many reasons and yes Kyle had a hand in that but he's down the list of why we lost. CMC fumble - how is that Kyle's fault? Punt fumble, which to me was the biggest reason we lost the game, how is that Kyle's fault? Even the two injuries in the game proved to be absolutely critical. Greenlaw getting injured not only zapped the energy on defense but allowed Kelce to wake up and in turn Mahomes. Greenlaw stays healthy for the whole game and we're talking about going back to back Champs right now. Even Feliciano's injury had key impact on the game. Burford comes in and makes key mental errors including on a would be TD in OT. We get that one and who knows what happens. At minimum we have a chance to defend a POSSIBLE 2pt conversion and have a chance to win it.
Now Kyle gets blame. KC adjusted and went more with man coverage, something that Deebo isn't so great against and we still went with a heavy Deebo gameplan but the plays were still there to be made if our guys execute.
The critical 3rd and 5 at the 2 minute mark - we pick up the first down and we're able to attempt a game winner with little or no time left. The playcall was there. Unfortunately as good as Brock was against the blitz/pressure all year KC has great players as well and they disguised it well and Brock went to Jennings vs Aiyuk. He throws to Aiyuk and it's very likely 1st down with 1:57 left in the game and KC is forced to use their 2nd timeout. Run on the next play and at worst we're forcing KC to use their last timeout with 1:50ish to go. 2 more runs and the clock is possibly under or around a minute left assuming we don't pick up the first down and get it down into single digits to kick.
Long story short the idea that we lost because of Kyle is dumb. He's got things he has to learn from in this one but winning a SB takes a lot of effort and a good amount of luck. Mike McCarthy won a SB. He's nowhere near the HC that Shanahan is and losing close games to a dynasty team, no matter how their offense looked should not be used a major slight on a HC. They've got HOF bound players and coaches. Their defense was excellent and ours faltered in the waning moments of the game.
You learn, grow and hope to not repeat the same mistakes again. And for anyone who thinks Kyle stopped running the ball...that was not an issue in this game.
Originally posted by Hysterikal:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you claim the bold, yet this is an actual headline, from cnn: San Francisco 49ers players admit they didn't know new Super Bowl overtime rules following loss to Chiefs.
Originally posted by Waterbear:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
you claim the bold, yet this is an actual headline, from cnn: San Francisco 49ers players admit they didn't know new Super Bowl overtime rules following loss to Chiefs.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's the same posters too. You can't go into any thread without these 🥔 🧠 posting the same crap . These guys make Seahawk fans look very smart
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You may not want to hear the headlines, but that's the takeaway / the reality. So if ppl say 'Kyle was prepared', yeah I don't think so. Does not going over it in advance sound prepared to you? Sounds the opposite to me.
KC on the other hand, from internet: The Chiefs said they were "well prepared" to play in overtime, ESPN reports.
Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that they "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," according to ESPN. Chiefs safety Justin Reid said their preparation started in training camp.
"We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule," Reid told ESPN.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You may not want to hear the headlines, but that's the takeaway / the reality. So if ppl say 'Kyle was prepared', yeah I don't think so. Does not going over it in advance sound prepared to you? Sounds the opposite to me.
KC on the other hand, from internet: The Chiefs said they were "well prepared" to play in overtime, ESPN reports.
Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that they "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," according to ESPN. Chiefs safety Justin Reid said their preparation started in training camp.
"We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule," Reid told ESPN.
The problem is you can't explain one actual affect this had on the outcome of the game. Whether it was new rules, or the last set of rules, the 49ers were well aware the best possible outcome was to score a TD on the opening drive… which they did not do… and/or get a stop on the Chiefs' possession… which they did not do.
They don't need to 'know the rules' to understand they were trying to score a TD and/or get a stop.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
You may not want to hear the headlines, but that's the takeaway / the reality. So if ppl say 'Kyle was prepared', yeah I don't think so. Does not going over it in advance sound prepared to you? Sounds the opposite to me.
KC on the other hand, from internet: The Chiefs said they were "well prepared" to play in overtime, ESPN reports.
Chiefs defensive lineman Chris Jones told reporters that they "talked for two weeks about new overtime rules," according to ESPN. Chiefs safety Justin Reid said their preparation started in training camp.
"We talked about it in training camp about how the rules were different in regular season versus the playoffs. Every week of the playoffs we talked about the overtime rule," Reid told ESPN.
The problem is you can't explain one actual affect this had on the outcome of the game. Whether it was new rules, or the last set of rules, the 49ers were well aware the best possible outcome was to score a TD on the opening drive… which they did not do… and/or get a stop on the Chiefs' possession… which they did not do.
They don't need to 'know the rules' to understand they were trying to score a TD and/or get a stop.