49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by JTsBiggestFan:
Maybe just maybe Grant might have a point.

But if Shanahan's issue is being too comfortable, how do you propose fixing it?

What does that really mean anyway?

The guy really wants to win the damn thing........can't imagine he's being lazy or not trying everything.

I honestly think the best course of action would be York having a very frank convo with Shanahan and Lynch about what the team needs to do to get over the hump, no one to be blamed......HOWEVER.....

Everything must be asked........is it the QB? The OL? Skill position groups? Defense? Playcalling in certain situations? Lack of a dedicated OC/playcaller?

IMO, everything should be brought up....kicking game, injuries, bad luck, etc.

And again, not with a tone of blame. We're all in this together.......nothing Kyle could say should ever get him fired (results in the future maybe, but not words).

This becomes a form of accountability where you're clearly defining what it is the team is missing to win it all.

I think the challenge here is that this is a much tougher cookie to crack than say this time in 1994 after the second Cowboys loss. Debartolo was pissed going down that elevator at Texas Stadium and wanted to do whatever it took to win it all the next year. It turned out it was mostly fixing the defense (mostly done via FA, Bryant Young in the draft).

The biggest question I have is how were the Chiefs able to slow down the 49ers dominant offense enough that we couldn't pull away from them?? Is this an issue of "we have a juggernaut offense in September, a great offense in December, a good offense in January, a decent offense in February"? I get that defenses in the postseason tighten up, but damn.....is KC's defense truly that f**king good?

This is where I think the OL issues are probably the answer.

To Kyle's critics - you shouldn't want radical change from him. Besides possibly losing confidence, you are very likely risking issues in other areas. IMO, it's still a game won/lost in the trenches and we've only focused on one side with the belief brains can overcome it.

It probably can't.

We'll probably find out Ben Johnson ain't all that without the Berlin Wall blocking for Goff and his guys.

Purdy is still very likely the guy, but in big high stakes games, gotta make things a little easier for him.

Eddie would have threatened or come this close, to firing his butt. He did that with Walsh in 87, and he Walsh actually won SBs. Putting your HC on notice it spurred the 88 and 89 teams to greatness. You don't have to fire him, but you do need to tell him that losing these 10 pt leads in SBs with guys not prepared or knowing OT rules is unacceptable and garbage.

lol get out of here with this nonsense. The most loaded rosters in NFL history spurred those teams to greatness.

A HC getting "threatened" doesn't do anything. You think Shanahan is trying to lose a SB?

Like what are we doing guys?

That's the problem. It's actually easier to accept that Kyle is trying to lose the Super Bowl. The fact that he's trying to win it and still finds a way to lose 10+ point leads is why he's the ultimate choke artist. He can't call the right plays when the team has to close out.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Let's just not bs ourselves with Kyle was prepared nonsense,
If he's prepared and spends 2 mins going over OT with our guys, he probably comes to the logical conclusion you don't want Mahomes to get the ball with a chance to walk you off. Dude was legit in an OT SB before, and not prepared for OT. How does that happen? And we're supposed to not ask question and spam 'I love my coach' style posts? You can, I'll be over here, in reality..

Tough choice. Take the ball down with 3 downs to play or give it to Mahomes with 4 downs to play ? Oh, another tough choice. Take the 3 and give the ball to Mahomes and not let him get a TD or get the ball second knowing whether Mahomes scored a 3 or 7 and then adjusting your play calls to match it.

Right. As the fan club will say, Kyle knew exactly what to do in OT because he's a genius. Laughable

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's the same posters too. You can't go into any thread without these 🥔 🧠 posting the same crap . These guys make Seahawk fans look very smart

Oh I'm sorry, is this a Kyle happy thoughts only zone? Or can we be critical if we see some bs that costs us the SB?

No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Exactly!!! It didn't matter either way. f**k the OT rules, there's a million post on tik tok, youtube, instagram and all that other social media b******t on why there was no holding calls at all on the Chiefs. That s**t mattered more than OT.

Yea ok. Let's weigh the 2 options.

A. We lost because the refs didn't call holding penalties on KC.

B. We lost because Kyle decided that it would be ok to give the ball to Mahomes for the last drive(s) in regulation and in OT.

Its not really hard TBPH….

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Silky:
This isn't the 80s anymore. There is a salary cap now and it's much harder to win in this league. This isn't an excuse for the blown 10-pt leads, but you cannot let go of a talented coach like Kyle in today's NFL. You see how teams are set-back for years if they make one tiny mistake with their HC hires.

I'd say there's maybe 7/32 coaches that I think are really good in today's NFL. The rest are either average or trash and out of the league in two years. The way organizations ran stuff in the 80s (especially with no salary cap) made it easier on coaches to remain elite for a longer period of time. Mix in Eddie D's shady business dealings and gambling, I wouldn't put it past him that he condoned stuff that Bill Bellichick did in the 2000s. The only difference is that social media, technology, and the boom of the internet got teams caught more often in the 2000s. I love the Niners but I am a realist, Eddie D probably looked for every edge the Niners could get on his way to winning all those SB's.

I miss those days

All you need to do is look at how many teams are looking for new coaches every year. Seven or eight every season. Then look at how many coaches have been with the same team 5 years or more The number is 8 out of 32 teams. Kyle is tied with Sean McVay and Sean McDermott with 7.

Ask yourself if you want to be like we were before Kyle, New coach every yea rr two. That would really help Purdy's development.

this is Florio : "Kyle's already got seven years in, is there going to be a point where… you get so close, so tantalizingly close that many times and it rips your heart out while it's still beating when the season ends, is it going to be good for everyone to just reset at some point."

also:

"My concern, especially with Kyle is he's going to become this generation's Bud Grant potentially. Where, you get there, and you never get through the top," Florio told Maiocco. "And each time he gets back there now, the narrative is going to get louder and louder, that this is your chance and it's just going to be more on him next time."

I think it's a question of can he break thru and win the big one, who knows..

Yep. Pretty much what most of us are saying. But the silver medalists here keep defending that he makes the team a perennial playoff contender, and that is ok. Oh, and if we lose Kyle we automatically get Tomsula as our next coach.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Silky:
This isn't the 80s anymore. There is a salary cap now and it's much harder to win in this league. This isn't an excuse for the blown 10-pt leads, but you cannot let go of a talented coach like Kyle in today's NFL. You see how teams are set-back for years if they make one tiny mistake with their HC hires.

I'd say there's maybe 7/32 coaches that I think are really good in today's NFL. The rest are either average or trash and out of the league in two years. The way organizations ran stuff in the 80s (especially with no salary cap) made it easier on coaches to remain elite for a longer period of time. Mix in Eddie D's shady business dealings and gambling, I wouldn't put it past him that he condoned stuff that Bill Bellichick did in the 2000s. The only difference is that social media, technology, and the boom of the internet got teams caught more often in the 2000s. I love the Niners but I am a realist, Eddie D probably looked for every edge the Niners could get on his way to winning all those SB's.

I miss those days

All you need to do is look at how many teams are looking for new coaches every year. Seven or eight every season. Then look at how many coaches have been with the same team 5 years or more The number is 8 out of 32 teams. Kyle is tied with Sean McVay and Sean McDermott with 7.

Ask yourself if you want to be like we were before Kyle, New coach every yea rr two. That would really help Purdy's development.

this is Florio : "Kyle's already got seven years in, is there going to be a point where… you get so close, so tantalizingly close that many times and it rips your heart out while it's still beating when the season ends, is it going to be good for everyone to just reset at some point."

also:

"My concern, especially with Kyle is he's going to become this generation's Bud Grant potentially. Where, you get there, and you never get through the top," Florio told Maiocco. "And each time he gets back there now, the narrative is going to get louder and louder, that this is your chance and it's just going to be more on him next time."

I think it's a question of can he break thru and win the big one, who knows..

I think he'll be out if he doesn't win the SB within the next 2-3 years.

🥔 🧠

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Silky:
This isn't the 80s anymore. There is a salary cap now and it's much harder to win in this league. This isn't an excuse for the blown 10-pt leads, but you cannot let go of a talented coach like Kyle in today's NFL. You see how teams are set-back for years if they make one tiny mistake with their HC hires.

I'd say there's maybe 7/32 coaches that I think are really good in today's NFL. The rest are either average or trash and out of the league in two years. The way organizations ran stuff in the 80s (especially with no salary cap) made it easier on coaches to remain elite for a longer period of time. Mix in Eddie D's shady business dealings and gambling, I wouldn't put it past him that he condoned stuff that Bill Bellichick did in the 2000s. The only difference is that social media, technology, and the boom of the internet got teams caught more often in the 2000s. I love the Niners but I am a realist, Eddie D probably looked for every edge the Niners could get on his way to winning all those SB's.

I miss those days

All you need to do is look at how many teams are looking for new coaches every year. Seven or eight every season. Then look at how many coaches have been with the same team 5 years or more The number is 8 out of 32 teams. Kyle is tied with Sean McVay and Sean McDermott with 7.

Ask yourself if you want to be like we were before Kyle, New coach every yea rr two. That would really help Purdy's development.

this is Florio : "Kyle's already got seven years in, is there going to be a point where… you get so close, so tantalizingly close that many times and it rips your heart out while it's still beating when the season ends, is it going to be good for everyone to just reset at some point."

also:

"My concern, especially with Kyle is he's going to become this generation's Bud Grant potentially. Where, you get there, and you never get through the top," Florio told Maiocco. "And each time he gets back there now, the narrative is going to get louder and louder, that this is your chance and it's just going to be more on him next time."

I think it's a question of can he break thru and win the big one, who knows..

I think he'll be out if he doesn't win the SB within the next 2-3 years.

You are what you record says you are right? Until he wins it, he hasn't. and I get dozens of coaches don't get it every year or ever even come close the success he has had, but the world isn't fair so Kyle's reputation will simply be "almost" until he actually pulls it off.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are what you record says you are right? Until he wins it, he hasn't. and I get dozens of coaches don't get it every year or ever even come close the success he has had, but the world isn't fair so Kyle's reputation will simply be "almost" until he actually pulls it off.

Fair point about his reputation. The obvious point is who gives a s**t what his reputation is among fans and media. Absolutely no way an organization should be making decisions with perception or reputation as a basis.

Is he doing a good job, or a job that is worthy of replacement? To me, there is no reasonable argument to say he should be replaced at this time. In 2-3 years if he stacks up a couple of losing seasons and/or he and the FO fail to restock the team with young talent we'll have something to consider.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are what you record says you are right? Until he wins it, he hasn't. and I get dozens of coaches don't get it every year or ever even come close the success he has had, but the world isn't fair so Kyle's reputation will simply be "almost" until he actually pulls it off.

Fair point about his reputation. The obvious point is who gives a s**t what his reputation is among fans and media. Absolutely no way an organization should be making decisions with perception or reputation as a basis.

Is he doing a good job, or a job that is worthy of replacement? To me, there is no reasonable argument to say he should be replaced at this time. In 2-3 years if he stacks up a couple of losing seasons and/or he and the FO fail to restock the team with young talent we'll have something to consider.

Oh I agree, and I mostly hate the media and what it has evolved into. Fans are fans and we are emotional creatures lol the forums are perfect for us, good and bad, whatever. This is our digital bar. I said it before the big red flag for Kyle is if he starts losing players. If we ever see that, we know.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Hhahaha hey a fellow NIN fan, nice:) With Teeth, good album:)

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are what you record says you are right? Until he wins it, he hasn't. and I get dozens of coaches don't get it every year or ever even come close the success he has had, but the world isn't fair so Kyle's reputation will simply be "almost" until he actually pulls it off.

I like that quote. I think with Kyle it goes beyond him almost winning. It would be one thing if we just happened to fall short, like the JH teams. It's a convo of him making questionable/suboptimal moves in the big games. Here's a piece on it:

https://fansided.com/posts/kyle-shanahan-added-another-blunder-to-his-super-bowl-resume-with-ot-rules-disaster-01hpetb1npfv

Lol ppl getting called potato brains for being critical of Kyle. "I love my coach no matter what, he is so genius." My arse lol. Some ppl love others no matter how dysfunctional the relationship..codependency lol. This is either rigged or Kyle totally shat away the SB by failing to make good play calls, we have seen it before..we had it right there on the line. Hungover Kyle couldn't pull through lol. He needed some Mai Tais

This is going to be a long offseason.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's the same posters too. You can't go into any thread without these 🥔 🧠 posting the same crap . These guys make Seahawk fans look very smart

Oh I'm sorry, is this a Kyle happy thoughts only zone? Or can we be critical if we see some bs that costs us the SB?

No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Exactly!!! It didn't matter either way. f**k the OT rules, there's a million post on tik tok, youtube, instagram and all that other social media b******t on why there was no holding calls at all on the Chiefs. That s**t mattered more than OT.

Yea ok. Let's weigh the 2 options.

A. We lost because the refs didn't call holding penalties on KC.

B. We lost because Kyle decided that it would be ok to give the ball to Mahomes for the last drive(s) in regulation and in OT.

Its not really hard TBPH….

Yah too bad you're just here to bait people and troll. Otherwise you would get it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
You are what you record says you are right? Until he wins it, he hasn't. and I get dozens of coaches don't get it every year or ever even come close the success he has had, but the world isn't fair so Kyle's reputation will simply be "almost" until he actually pulls it off.

I like that quote. I think with Kyle it goes beyond him almost winning. It would be one thing if we just happened to fall short, like the JH teams. It's a convo of him making questionable/suboptimal moves in the big games. Here's a piece on it:

https://fansided.com/posts/kyle-shanahan-added-another-blunder-to-his-super-bowl-resume-with-ot-rules-disaster-01hpetb1npfv

Yeah, I agree he fubar'ed OT. I don't care what anyone or any computer says lol

I think for me its frustrating to see a guy who is so intelligent and cunning in some aspects, but then seems to be very aloof or close minded in others. I mean, nobody is perfect, but he makes me wonder too many times not to come on here and say wth etc? I think we both know he knows he got that OT logic wrong. I feel like he overthinks things at times and needs to just keep it simple, but also be prepared. Then i see the annual coaching turnover he has to contend with which is quite insane. I mean again, its not fair, but he needs to overcome all that. It is what it is.