49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Your definition of troll is anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. It's ironic how many of you use the word loosely for a certain group of ppl that hold a certain opinion. I could certainly argue that your ilk are the real trolls. It's one thing to argue, reject, and even go as far as insult those that criticize Shanahan in a forum. But you guys negate, reject, and insult anyone in the MEDIA that questions Kyle. You boys cover an entire spectrum of homerism. Faith is right. You want this to be a "let's celebrate the accomplishments of Kyle" thread by pretending that his f**k ups don't exist.

Cries because he doesn't like getting put in a box by fans that disagree with him, then proceeds to put people in a box that do disagree with him.

Not at all. Haven't b***hed or complained about any of you all season. Just pointing out the irony of his post. But you can use this as a spring board to label be a "complainer", "tattletale", etc. whatever works. It won't change the narrative that some of us JUSTIABLY present on this forum. Kyle Shanahan is a choke artist that is good enough to get you to the playoffs but not good enough to get you through them. He's proven it over and over. Unfortunately I grew up watching a team that had better standards than silver medals….

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Who here says that he's perfect? Some of you only see things in black or white and no in between. 6 out of 7 fumbles going there way and the muffed punt is a much bigger deal and the main reason we lost, not because some players didn't know Pat would have 4 downs to play with.

My biggest issue with Kyle that game was not getting Kittle and CMC involved more in the pass game and trying to force it to Deebo several times when it was obvious he wasn't getting it done.

Bottom line is 6 of 7 fumbles, isn't a coaching decision. A lot of them weren't true fumbles. I think some of those are KCs center snapping low and brushing some grass. Is that a fumble? Did we have a realistic shot at it? You be the judge. You bring up a good point Kyle I think is in love with his positionless football, and loves Deebo, even tho if one watches the JTO, let me tell you it's a tough watch for ol 19. Not a route runner, and we tried over and over and got our tails handed to us on his routes, in the SB.

And that's the problem with a Deebo centric offense. When he's on like vs Philly, the team is unstoppable. Slow him down and this offense falls apart. That's why I'm ok with letting him go. Force Kyle to run a more traditional pass game that doesn't rely on gadget players making YACs…

Originally posted by DrEll:
No what I'm saying is you game plan to make sure the best player in the game has minimum to no time left to make a last ditch effort to win. How do you do that ? I'm not sure. Maybe you game plan so that KC has to burn all its timeout on that final drive. Maybe you do consider it 4 down territory then hand the ball to CMC on 3rd to see if we can get closer for the 4th down conversion. This is why your "top ranked coaches" is supposed to take the team and close it out. This is where your top ranked coach anticipates that the DC on the other side will likely send some type of pressure so maybe have your QB ready for that situation. I don't know. It seems like this is the 2nd time Kyle has been put in this opportunity to close out the Chiefs on the SB, and both times came up with pedestrian answers that cost us…

You do it by picking up the first down. That's priority number one. And the pass play he called had an open hot receiver, in the direction the QB was working, and the ball didn't go there. The pass play had an answer for the pressure that came, and the QB misread it. That happens to second year guys and Brock is not immune. Maybe a run play would have worked out better. Who knows. I can almost assure you that if CMC doesn't gain 3+ yards on the third down, the ball is in Brock's hands for a pass on 4th (if they went for it) anyway. I don't see how it's a problem to call a pass on 3rd and 5 and trust your QB, who had played at a high level both at times in the game and throughout the season, to execute it. It didn't happen. It doesn't mean there was some critical coaching mistake there.

If anything we can be critical about elements of Kyle's dropback passing scheme which have consistently shown some structural flaws and could be better. But the idea that it's somehow a coaching gaffe to let the good QB, who was playing a solid game, pass the ball on 3rd and 5 is ludicrous…. especially when the play was there to be made.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Let's just not bs ourselves with Kyle was prepared nonsense,
If he's prepared and spends 2 mins going over OT with our guys, he probably comes to the logical conclusion you don't want Mahomes to get the ball with a chance to walk you off. Dude was legit in an OT SB before, and not prepared for OT. How does that happen? And we're supposed to not ask question and spam 'I love my coach' style posts? You can, I'll be over here, in reality..

Umm he did that anyway, it didn't matter if the 9ers took the ball first or last, Mahomes was gonna do that anyway. WTF don't you get.

The logic of it is if Mahomes goes first, and gets the corndog TD, it doesn't 'walk us off'. The game is still going. We get a 4th down play after Chris Jones coming thru unblocked.

Ok fair...so we give Mahomes the ball first with our defense just out there - they give up the TD. Then say we manage to score a TD using 4 downs to work...what happens then? We go for 2? What if Chris Jones gets the stop on that down? We lose and you complain about that? Or we kick the XP and then KC gets the game winning FG and you complain about that?

How about our players do their job so we get the TD and then our defense does their job and not give KC the one TD drive they've had all game long? Oh that's right...they didn't know the rules in OT and must've though a TD there wouldn't be more points than our FG?

Interesting take. Mind you as Niner fans we question whether Kyle would or should have gone for 2 given the scenario you pointed out (obviously he would never go for 2 he's too much of a p***y for that), but the Chiefs pretty much committed going for 2 in that same exact situation.

Thats the difference in this chess match. Kyle wanted the ball first because he thought we would score a TD then KC would score a TD then we would get the ball for a game winning drive. Andy was one step ahead and never planned on giving the ball back to Kyle….

Originally posted by DrEll:
Interesting take. Mind you as Niner fans we question whether Kyle would or should have gone for 2 given the scenario you pointed out (obviously he would never go for 2 he's too much of a p***y for that), but the Chiefs pretty much committed going for 2 in that same exact situation.

Thats the difference in this chess match. Kyle wanted the ball first because he thought we would score a TD then KC would score a TD then we would get the ball for a game winning drive. Andy was one step ahead and never planned on giving the ball back to Kyle….

Unlikely we would have gone for two if he was going to base the decision on the numbers. Even more unlikely based on his own coaching style as you point out. It's important to note that from an analytical perspective it would be the incorrect decision to go for two on the opening drive.

You and a handful of other people keep repeating that he made the decision to receive because he was expecting a 3rd possession. It's horses**t. It's in case of one. The goal is to score a TD and get a stop and pretending otherwise is really stupid.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Interesting take. Mind you as Niner fans we question whether Kyle would or should have gone for 2 given the scenario you pointed out (obviously he would never go for 2 he's too much of a p***y for that), but the Chiefs pretty much committed going for 2 in that same exact situation.

Thats the difference in this chess match. Kyle wanted the ball first because he thought we would score a TD then KC would score a TD then we would get the ball for a game winning drive. Andy was one step ahead and never planned on giving the ball back to Kyle….

Chess v checkers and a prepared staff vs an unprepared one. That was the key difference. However, remember the prophecy, in 12 or so years, Kyle will fall into a generational QB and start winning rings. It's the Reid prophecy. So we have that to look forward to, I am told. Nevermind the fact Kyle will probably be in a different city by then..

Originally posted by DrEll:
Not at all. Haven't b***hed or complained about any of you all season. Just pointing out the irony of his post. But you can use this as a spring board to label be a "complainer", "tattletale", etc. whatever works. It won't change the narrative that some of us JUSTIABLY present on this forum. Kyle Shanahan is a choke artist that is good enough to get you to the playoffs but not good enough to get you through them. He's proven it over and over. Unfortunately I grew up watching a team that had better standards than silver medals….

While you throw me in the box, I'll point out I never have called you a troll and have addressed your arguments on the merits. Most of the time you run away… the Chiefs - Niners roster comparison I presented to you last week or the week before being a perfect example.

This point sums up your stance pretty well though. You judge the current team by the idea that this franchise won a handful of SB's 30-40 years ago under different ownership and in a completely different league. It's the same complaint over and over again and you don't ever seem to bring any worthwhile football analysis to the table.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Chess v checkers and a prepared staff vs an unprepared one. That was the key difference. However, remember the prophecy, in 12 or so years, Kyle will fall into a generational QB and start winning rings. It's the Reid prophecy. So we have that to look forward to, I am told. Nevermind the fact Kyle will probably be in a different city by then..

The key difference is preparation.

Then goes on to explain how the key difference between the two coaches is luck at the QB position.

Lol. You two are perfect.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
It's the same posters too. You can't go into any thread without these 🥔 🧠 posting the same crap . These guys make Seahawk fans look very smart

Oh I'm sorry, is this a Kyle happy thoughts only zone? Or can we be critical if we see some bs that costs us the SB?

No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Exactly!!! It didn't matter either way. f**k the OT rules, there's a million post on tik tok, youtube, instagram and all that other social media b******t on why there was no holding calls at all on the Chiefs. That s**t mattered more than OT.

Yea ok. Let's weigh the 2 options.

A. We lost because the refs didn't call holding penalties on KC.

B. We lost because Kyle decided that it would be ok to give the ball to Mahomes for the last drive(s) in regulation and in OT.

Its not really hard TBPH….

Yah too bad you're just here to bait people and troll. Otherwise you would get it.

Your definition of troll is anyone that doesn't agree with your opinion. It's ironic how many of you use the word loosely for a certain group of ppl that hold a certain opinion. I could certainly argue that your ilk are the real trolls. It's one thing to argue, reject, and even go as far as insult those that criticize Shanahan in a forum. But you guys negate, reject, and insult anyone in the MEDIA that questions Kyle. You boys cover an entire spectrum of homerism. Faith is right. You want this to be a "let's celebrate the accomplishments of Kyle" thread by pretending that his f**k ups don't exist.

Child please 😂

By all means criticize, he's not free of some blame.

But when a few of you say fire Kyle, Kyle sucks, we're a laughing stock of the NFL, we rather be bad than a be a contender, then ya it's either trolling or you have room temperature IQ. Thank jebus there's only a handful of you though that think that way and are annoying ass spammers.

It's commen sense bro.

Saying Shanahan should have had Sorensen last year since 2 year Super Bowl window. Wrong. Would have only have been true if didn't make Super Bowl or defense reason we lost in Super Bowl. We lost in Super Bowl because of 3 things:

1. Missed opportunities
2. Mistakes
3. Not deferring in overtime

Yes I think it's good we got rid of Wilks to help our chances next year of winning Super Bowl. But thank goodness he was not the reason we lost in Super Bowl.

On the what would Eddie have done convo, from Senor Cohn:

"Eddie would have already fired Kyle. He fired Seifert, a two-time Super Bowl Champion, and he would accept this? This guy who twice got them in the Super Bowl and gave up leads both times and didn't know the rules? He would have fired Shanahan. And what's more, I would have supported it. I'm not sure I supported firing Seifert, but this I would have supported. Thank you so much for your service, you got us to the highest level, now we need someone who will bring us into the Promised Land. You can't come."

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Chess v checkers and a prepared staff vs an unprepared one. That was the key difference. However, remember the prophecy, in 12 or so years, Kyle will fall into a generational QB and start winning rings. It's the Reid prophecy. So we have that to look forward to, I am told. Nevermind the fact Kyle will probably be in a different city by then..

The key difference is preparation.

Then goes on to explain how the key difference between the two coaches is luck at the QB position.

Lol. You two are perfect.

The Reid prophecy is a bit of a joke. I only make fun of it. To believe Kyle will win rings down the line cuz Andy did, don't believe it. If KS wins rings, it will have nothing to do with Reid. Now ESPN looked at both rosters and had us favorites. So did Vegas. They know about Mahomes. Our team was better they said. It probably was.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
The Reid prophecy is a bit of a joke. I only make fun of it. To believe Kyle will win rings down the line cuz Andy did, don't believe it. If KS wins rings, it will have nothing to do with Reid. Now ESPN looked at both rosters and had us favorites. So did Vegas. They know about Mahomes. Our team was better they said. It probably was.

Another person who really doesn't understand how betting lines are crafted… not to mention we were favored by anywhere from 1-2.5 points. That's not a lot.

I do think we have more talent than the Chiefs overall, but I think that kind of comparison can be misleading. We have better skill position players, better linebackers, and a more talented defensive line. How many of those players do you think Patrick Mahomes is worth honestly? Would you trade Bosa, Purdy, Deebo, Warner for him? Do you think the Chiefs would?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by DrEll:
Interesting take. Mind you as Niner fans we question whether Kyle would or should have gone for 2 given the scenario you pointed out (obviously he would never go for 2 he's too much of a p***y for that), but the Chiefs pretty much committed going for 2 in that same exact situation.

Thats the difference in this chess match. Kyle wanted the ball first because he thought we would score a TD then KC would score a TD then we would get the ball for a game winning drive. Andy was one step ahead and never planned on giving the ball back to Kyle….

Unlikely we would have gone for two if he was going to base the decision on the numbers. Even more unlikely based on his own coaching style as you point out. It's important to note that from an analytical perspective it would be the incorrect decision to go for two on the opening drive.

You and a handful of other people keep repeating that he made the decision to receive because he was expecting a 3rd possession. It's horses**t. It's in case of one. The goal is to score a TD and get a stop and pretending otherwise is really stupid.

Shanahan said in his post game press conference that one of the reasons he opted to receive the ball first in OT was so the team would have the ball 3rd possession.

He guessed that regardless of scoring a FG or TD the Chiefs would match it and then we would get it back for the decider. Andy Reid was one step ahead of him bc as pointed out by a number of Chiefs players they were going for the kill shot on that second possession. Had the 49ers scored a TD, Mahomes would have went for the 2 point game winner if they scored on that second drive. There was no intent to give the 49ers a 3rd possession.

Kyle guessed wrong. Reid was one step ahead of him.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Another person who really doesn't understand how betting lines are crafted… not to mention we were favored by anywhere from 1-2.5 points. That's not a lot.

I do think we have more talent than the Chiefs overall, but I think that kind of comparison can be misleading. We have better skill position players, better linebackers, and a more talented defensive line. How many of those players do you think Patrick Mahomes is worth honestly? Would you trade Bosa, Purdy, Deebo, Warner for him? Do you think the Chiefs would?

You have successfully established that Mahomes is the most valuable player in today's game. Congratulations. If one would have told me, that we held his butt to 1 TD in 60 mins, off a punt fumble clown drive, I would have assumed we won. Then I would have realized our coach is KS, and asked, ok, can he possibly find the L in this one?, lo and behold,