49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.

Come on man, in clutch time, you know what Mahomes has got in store for ya by now, right? You would have leaned to trusting Wilks v Mahomes? not enough for that..

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this dude was a legend who played for Mike Shanny and won rings, sums up my thoughts to an extent:

.@MarkSchlereth blames analytics for Kyle Shanahan's blunders in the Super Bowl

Listen: https://t.co/onX1eLX9JO pic.twitter.com/kqNgHqzVtE

— Audacy Sports (@AudacySports) February 16, 2024

Will point this out again, but analytics in general account for the actual teams playing in the games. When you see analytics professionals analyzing 4th down decision making, that is factored using the involved teams' performance… not generic teams. I pointed this out to you before. It's really not all that surprising that 'Stink' wouldn't know any better.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.

Come on man, in clutch time, you know what Mahomes has got in store for ya by now, right? You would have leaned to trusting Wilks v Mahomes? not enough for that..

Yup. Giving Mahomes a chance two beat you is asking for trouble. He's shows time and time again that he will smoke your defense for the win. That 13 second FG vs. the Bills should have alerted Shanny to go for the kill.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
this dude was a legend who played for Mike Shanny and won rings, sums up my thoughts to an extent:

.@MarkSchlereth blames analytics for Kyle Shanahan's blunders in the Super Bowl

Listen: https://t.co/onX1eLX9JO pic.twitter.com/kqNgHqzVtE

— Audacy Sports (@AudacySports) February 16, 2024

He's the poster boy for football meat head jocks lol. Of course he hates analytics. And I'm assuming he's talking about what Kyle said that they wanted the ball back 3rd to win the game. So then doesn't that relay the same message the Mark s**thead said? That's respecting Pat and knowing he's gonna score anyways so we might as well have another shot?

Like I said in my previous post, you either for it on 4th and risk not converting and allowing the Chiefs to win on a FG, or you hope that you're defense is rested now, and you get the same defense that only allowed 1 TD in regulation...

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.

Come on man, in clutch time, you know what Mahomes has got in store for ya by now, right? You would have leaned to trusting Wilks v Mahomes? not enough for that..

Ok so now you've finally turned into a Pat fan boy? Lol....remember all our talks about Pat? Ya I'm glad you finally see the light lol.

You gotta understand too how NFL players/coaches think. There's no coach in the NFL that will admit defeat and say player/coach XYZ is better than me so I need to prepare like I will lose. Of course players get respect from their peers and coaches, but they all have a huge ego. You don't get to that point in the NFL if you really don't believe 100% in yourself, and the ones that don't, they don't last long.

I agree in a sense, especially as a fan, don't give Pat that chance. But you gotta also consider the situation there. There is no way you can think logically about this and say that A or B was by far the best option.

I blame Kyle for other things in that game. Lack of Kittle, lack of CMC in the passing game, lack of using Mitchell especially since he looked pretty explosive on a his run. Trying to force it to Deebo as well. I wasn't happy either with not adjusting to them adjusting to more man either. But not that him choosing to receive there.

Andy wasn't that stellar either. He's not getting any criticism because they won, but their offense was pretty damn bad until Greenlaw went down, a lot of Chief fans were losing their s**t on on reddit lol.

Originally posted by DrEll:
No what I'm saying is you game plan to make sure the best player in the game has minimum to no time left to make a last ditch effort to win. How do you do that ? I'm not sure. Maybe you game plan so that KC has to burn all its timeout on that final drive. Maybe you do consider it 4 down territory then hand the ball to CMC on 3rd to see if we can get closer for the 4th down conversion. This is why your "top ranked coaches" is supposed to take the team and close it out. This is where your top ranked coach anticipates that the DC on the other side will likely send some type of pressure so maybe have your QB ready for that situation. I don't know. It seems like this is the 2nd time Kyle has been put in this opportunity to close out the Chiefs on the SB, and both times came up with pedestrian answers that cost us…

The answers were there in both SBs, the execution wasn't there. Now we can blame him for not giving the OL enough resources but it's also hard to blame him when Feliciano was playing much better than Burford and got hurt, leading to key error by Burford. The kid owned up to going off script in a key moment that likely cost us a TD.

I understand your point about not letting Mahomes have time or opportunity to do what he's done many times before…thing is he hasn't done that as much this year and wasn't something he did in that game until that final drive. Kyle knows KC defense is terrific. If he's seeing key mistakes on 3rd down when the playcall is there to beat KC then why attempt it on 4th down and risk Mahomes just needing a FG to win? He was definitely doing that. Scoring TDs for that KC offense was a different situation tho.

He gambled using the most recent information from the game and lost. Typical for Vegas unfortunately.

Originally posted by DrEll:
Interesting take. Mind you as Niner fans we question whether Kyle would or should have gone for 2 given the scenario you pointed out (obviously he would never go for 2 he's too much of a p***y for that), but the Chiefs pretty much committed going for 2 in that same exact situation.

Thats the difference in this chess match. Kyle wanted the ball first because he thought we would score a TD then KC would score a TD then we would get the ball for a game winning drive. Andy was one step ahead and never planned on giving the ball back to Kyle….

Once again, we don't know what KC would've actually done. They can say whatever they wanted now that they won. We didn't see it happen. Maybe if we put up 7 on our drive and they get their TD in the heat of the moment they decide to just tie it up and take their chance on defense.

We'll never know but it is a good hard lesson for Kyle and it sucks we had to be the first team dealing with the new OT rules like that.

But aggression or not it's still a 1 play opportunity for both teams if it came down to a 2 pt try. KC with a chance to win the SB with the conversion, 49ers with a chance to win with a stop.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Let's just not bs ourselves with Kyle was prepared nonsense,
If he's prepared and spends 2 mins going over OT with our guys, he probably comes to the logical conclusion you don't want Mahomes to get the ball with a chance to walk you off. Dude was legit in an OT SB before, and not prepared for OT. How does that happen? And we're supposed to not ask question and spam 'I love my coach' style posts? You can, I'll be over here, in reality..

Umm he did that anyway, it didn't matter if the 9ers took the ball first or last, Mahomes was gonna do that anyway. WTF don't you get.

The logic of it is if Mahomes goes first, and gets the corndog TD, it doesn't 'walk us off'. The game is still going. We get a 4th down play after Chris Jones coming thru unblocked.

They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.

Exactly right. Everyone wants to play the Mahomes card in hindsight and act like this was the 2018 version of the Chiefs offense out there.

It wasn't. Facts are the offense had a chance to get a TD and defense had chances to stop KC and didn't.

Simple as that.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by Kolohe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
No by all means, repeat the same s**t every day for at least another 5 months.. I'm sure some new user signing up didn't see this post yet.

I do laugh at the we didn't know OT rules, like what would've changed really? The goal is always to score TDs anyways, it's not like we thought a FG wins the game. You make sound like a different sport gets played in OT. If Burford blocks someone we score a TD and it's not even an issue. We didn't lose because some players didn't know the new OT rules. We lost because of poor blocking at times, missed XP, Greenlaw injury, stupid penalties by players that usually don't commit them, 6 out of 7 fumbles going their way, a muffed punt that gave them 7 points...All those reasons >>>>> OT rules.

But you do you, make sure you keep posting this another 500 times.

Let's just not bs ourselves with Kyle was prepared nonsense,
If he's prepared and spends 2 mins going over OT with our guys, he probably comes to the logical conclusion you don't want Mahomes to get the ball with a chance to walk you off. Dude was legit in an OT SB before, and not prepared for OT. How does that happen? And we're supposed to not ask question and spam 'I love my coach' style posts? You can, I'll be over here, in reality..

Umm he did that anyway, it didn't matter if the 9ers took the ball first or last, Mahomes was gonna do that anyway. WTF don't you get.

The logic of it is if Mahomes goes first, and gets the corndog TD, it doesn't 'walk us off'. The game is still going. We get a 4th down play after Chris Jones coming thru unblocked.

They had 1 TD in regulation. 1!!!!! Lol

In 60 minutes!!!! It also came from us muffing a punt...

Sending the defense back out there again to start the OT would've been a mistake as well. You could b***h about Kyle not preparing players for OT rules all you want, but it wouldn't mattered AT ALL. We had a wide open TD if Burford doesn't f**k up.

If let's say everybody was on board with the rules, you don't think we kick a FG on 4th anyways? If you don't convert there, then it's much higher chance of the game being over since KC can get at least a damn FG attempt to win.

I've said this before (sorry I that don't post the same takes 10 times a day for a month straight), taking the ball or deferring it's a 50/50 choice there. There was no clear cut choice there because of the defense being worn out.

Based on how the game was going, I would've leaned slightly towards trusting my defense as well that only gave up 1 TD all game. Especially since the offense wasn't doing that great anyways, I would've let my defense win the game there.

Point is, there's no easy choice in that scenario, while some of you are making it seem like it was obvious, and ignoring all the analytics and what others through the media have said.

Exactly right. Everyone wants to play the Mahomes card in hindsight and act like this was the 2018 version of the Chiefs offense out there.

It wasn't. Facts are the offense had a chance to get a TD and defense had chances to stop KC and didn't.

Simple as that.

Niners took the lead in OT. That's about as razor thin a loss as can be had. Mahomes tipped the scales juuuuuust enough, among other reasons the scales got tipped ever so small. Yeah, yeah, lose by 1 or lose by 100 it's the same thing in the W-L column. I just think people are under selling just how tight this game was, which suggests 49ers were a damn good team that happened to meet up with another damn good team that simply made a few more plays. Mahomes made a few of those extra plays.

Originally posted by captveg:
Niners took the lead in OT. That's about as razor thin a loss as can be had. Mahomes tipped the scales juuuuuust enough, among other reasons the scales got tipped ever so small. Yeah, yeah, lose by 1 or lose by 100 it's the same thing in the W-L column. I just think people are under selling just how tight this game was, which suggests 49ers were a damn good team that happened to meet up with another damn good team that simply made a few more plays. Mahomes made a few of those extra plays.

That's because they have an agenda to push. And a silly one.

I asked this on Twitter the other day and may as well ask it here.

How many people would pick Mike McCarthy as a HC over Shanahan right now?

McCarthy has won a SB while the stigma on Kyle is he's a choke artist too full of himself and will never win one. So the choice must be easy right?

I'm sure all the fans in here bashing Kyle will gloss over this post too.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:
Niners took the lead in OT. That's about as razor thin a loss as can be had. Mahomes tipped the scales juuuuuust enough, among other reasons the scales got tipped ever so small. Yeah, yeah, lose by 1 or lose by 100 it's the same thing in the W-L column. I just think people are under selling just how tight this game was, which suggests 49ers were a damn good team that happened to meet up with another damn good team that simply made a few more plays. Mahomes made a few of those extra plays.

That's because they have an agenda to push. And a silly one.

I asked this on Twitter the other day and may as well ask it here.

How many people would pick Mike McCarthy as a HC over Shanahan right now?

McCarthy has won a SB while the stigma on Kyle is he's a choke artist too full of himself and will never win one. So the choice must be easy right?

I'm sure all the fans in here bashing Kyle will gloss over this post too.

It was damn close game. Any game that goes to OT is. If you read most of NT it looks like we were down by forty. And it would be Shanahan over McCarthy every day of the week for me.

Originally posted by English:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by captveg:
Niners took the lead in OT. That's about as razor thin a loss as can be had. Mahomes tipped the scales juuuuuust enough, among other reasons the scales got tipped ever so small. Yeah, yeah, lose by 1 or lose by 100 it's the same thing in the W-L column. I just think people are under selling just how tight this game was, which suggests 49ers were a damn good team that happened to meet up with another damn good team that simply made a few more plays. Mahomes made a few of those extra plays.

That's because they have an agenda to push. And a silly one.

I asked this on Twitter the other day and may as well ask it here.

How many people would pick Mike McCarthy as a HC over Shanahan right now?

McCarthy has won a SB while the stigma on Kyle is he's a choke artist too full of himself and will never win one. So the choice must be easy right?

I'm sure all the fans in here bashing Kyle will gloss over this post too.

It was damn close game. Any game that goes to OT is. If you read most of NT it looks like we were down by forty. And it would be Shanahan over McCarthy every day of the week for me.

Agreed but I had people picking McCarthy simply because he won a SB...with Aaron Rodgers.

The fact is winning a SB takes a mix of talent, coaching and a sprinkle of luck. We had many opportunities to win that game and didn't get it done.

KC also has great players and great coaches. Know who else got outcoached by Spags? Bill Belichick, Josh McDaniels and Tom Brady. And that Giants defense wasn't as good as the KC defense in terms of talent and yet they shut down one of the best offenses of all time.

Mike McCarthy has routinely had his teams underperform with a HOF QB in his prime. The level of outcoached we saw just this past WC game vs Green Bay was insane. Can anyone tell me when Shanahan ever had a team that unprepared to play a game? Down 27-7 to a 7 seed? Should've been 27-0 too.

49ers have never gone 1 and done in the playoffs under Shanahan. McCarthy has seen his team do that several times and as a heavy favorite too.

Additional reminder to the people looking for a HC change, take a look at Denver.

Their fans were thrilled to get Sean Payton and look at their team being gutted this offseason. You bring in a new guy and big changes happen. You don't magically get to keep all the good things that happened under Shanahan and only get the good from the new coach.

KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.