49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

The problem I have with Kyle? Not running it on 3rd and fking 4 with the best rb in the league. I don't give a s**t what the other screw ups in the game were. That was the game right there. We got CMC and "Quadzilla" lol and we don't use their legs at all. Is it not obvious that this was a dumb as s**t call? To throw it? Settling for an fg? You gotta get the touchdown, period. Dumbest s**t ever. I would not say fire Kyle but clearly he folds when it matters the most. Maybe he will get an SB in the next few years..or never lol. The o-line sucked ass..and you throw it.. ...Chris Jones? Who cares about that guy..just throw it. No, RUN the damn ball against a tired defense. That is what you do. But no, clearly he was like, hey, that Kap/Crabtree moment..let's try to replicate that lol.

The positive? We have the best players in the NFC, Dak will choke again as usual lol and who knows what will happen next year. But losing two, very winnable SBs, just doesn't impress me.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.

What are you talking about?

Originally posted by genus49:
What are you talking about?

It's apparently an egregious coaching mistake to call a pass play on 3rd and 5.

Originally posted by Montana:
The problem I have with Kyle? Not running it on 3rd and fking 4 with the best rb in the league. I don't give a s**t what the other screw ups in the game were. That was the game right there. We got CMC and "Quadzilla" lol and we don't use their legs at all. Is it not obvious that this was a dumb as s**t call? To throw it? Settling for an fg? You gotta get the touchdown, period. Dumbest s**t ever. I would not say fire Kyle but clearly he folds when it matters the most. Maybe he will get an SB in the next few years..or never lol. The o-line sucked ass..and you throw it.. ...Chris Jones? Who cares about that guy..just throw it. No, RUN the damn ball against a tired defense. That is what you do. But no, clearly he was like, hey, that Kap/Crabtree moment..let's try to replicate that lol.

The positive? We have the best players in the NFC, Dak will choke again as usual lol and who knows what will happen next year. But losing two, very winnable SBs, just doesn't impress me.

First of all I'm assuming you're talking about the 3rd down play after the 2 minute warning in the 4th.

That was a 3rd and 5 play, the TV had it wrong. At best it was 3rd and long 4. In either scenario the goal is pick up the first down and you should be setup to kick the game winning FG with little or no time left for KC to match/exceed it.

CMC was averaging 3.6 YPC in the game. KC had 2 timeouts left and the clock was already stopped at 2 minute warning. If you don't get the first time KC has plenty of time to do what they need to do and you're not going for it on 4th down in FG range.

The play was there to be made in the passing game and it was the right decision. You're coaching in hindsight and you can't even do that right.

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Everyday for the past month

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:

Originally posted by Hysterikal:

Everyday for the past month

Sorry I stayed away from this thread for a while and feel pretty strongly about this subject so I stirred up the homer's nest.

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.

My primary point is the right side of the OLine is a major weakness and if better Brock would have made that pass.

I pointed out KS/jl stubbornness in fixing the Oline and if the OLine was better even weak-ass Garappalo would have hit Sanders for the TD.

BTW - passing on 3rd & 5 is not a bad decision.

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.

My primary point is the right side of the OLine is a major weakness and if better Brock would have made that pass.

I pointed out KS/jl stubbornness in fixing the Oline and if the OLine was better even weak-ass Garappalo would have hit Sanders for the TD.

BTW - passing on 3rd & 5 is not a bad decision.

It's not just a bad decision it was 100% the right decision. Time was not an issue there. #1 goal is to get the first down THEN time becomes an issue for KC. People acting like this was the 2019 NFCCG where we could just run and rip off chunks.

That KC team was excellent and we still had the right play on that 3rd down. Unfortunately as good as Brock played he's still a 2nd year player and didn't make the right decision on that play. It happens. Decision was right, Play was right. Execution wasn't.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.

What are you talking about?

He's talking about 3rd and about 5, in regulation. In terms of passes, we are dead last in football in attempts. We are very good per play passing, but with few attempts. We want to run the ball, and he feels our that's our strength (probably true). So it's about the thought process there. There was a TV timeout (2 min warning). So a lot of time to think this over. Refs mic'd up say ok you need your best play here. Our play got a free rusher and no yds. Part of passing is you convert or not. It's more all or nothing, than a run play. Part of passing also, is he probably closed his mind to this being 2 down territory. If you open your mind to this being 2 down territory, you may well run CMC and see where you are. The advantage of running is we are good at it, they are not good at stopping the run on the year, and they are great at stopping the pass on the year. You also either wind clock after your run, or you force them to burn a TO. This is a first down wins the SB situation, or comes darn close, so all options should be on the table, including going for it, should you be 4th and short. There's some mindset of well if we can't get a lil under 5 yds on 2 plays, we deserve to lose the SB. As it stood, that FG was hard to watch. If Moody hits, which was not gtd, it was a tough FG, we still likely aren't stopping Mahomes in his bid to tie. If Moody misses, we likely lose the SB outright. So it wasn't a lot of good outcomes from that FG, unless you think we had a real shot with a DC Kyle doesn't trust at stonewalling Mahomes and keeping him out of FG range, when he has 4 downs.

Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Bringbackedjr:

Originally posted by LasVegasWally:
KS is an excellent coach - not perfect but without a doubt - excellent..

Many HC's fall into a trap of stubbornness and KS certainly does.

Every day he should start by watching the pathetic right side of the OLine in the SB.

Then go all-in on fixing it.

If Brock has an extra 2 seconds on the last drive we'd have won.

If, if, if… Kyle knows his players and he knows the weaknesses. My dog would have called runs to kill the clock and score for the win. Kyle apparently thought better of it and called passes. Clock stops. The rest Is part of Kyle's choking history…Kyle was the difference in the SB. Many outside of his fan club agree…. He deserves no praise for blowing 3 SBS. wait… he was an accessory to one and owns the KC Bowls outright. Great job Kyle. The genius of all geniuses.

What are you talking about?

He's talking about 3rd and about 5, in regulation. In terms of passes, we are dead last in football in attempts. We are very good per play passing, but with few attempts. We want to run the ball, and he feels our that's our strength (probably true). So it's about the thought process there. There was a TV timeout (2 min warning). So a lot of time to think this over. Refs mic'd up say ok you need your best play here. Our play got a free rusher and no yds. Part of passing is you convert or not. It's more all or nothing, than a run play. Part of passing also, is he probably closed his mind to this being 2 down territory. If you open your mind to this being 2 down territory, you may well run CMC and see where you are. The advantage of running is we are good at it, they are not good at stopping the run on the year, and they are great at stopping the pass on the year. You also either wind clock after your run, or you force them to burn a TO. This is a first down wins the SB situation, or comes darn close, so all options should be on the table, including going for it, should you be 4th and short. There's some mindset of well if we can't get a lil under 5 yds on 2 plays, we deserve to lose the SB. As it stood, that FG was hard to watch. If Moody hits, which was not gtd, it was a tough FG, we still likely aren't stopping Mahomes in his bid to tie. If Moody misses, we likely lose the SB outright. So it wasn't a lot of good outcomes from that FG, unless you think we had a real shot with a DC Kyle doesn't trust at stonewalling Mahomes and keeping him out of FG range, when he has 4 downs.

Our play had an open Aiyuk that Brock didn't throw to. He went to Jennings on the 1 on 1 and the KC player made a great play. It's a chess match and the other side is just as good as we were. I already mentioned Spags outcoaching the Pats in their almost perfect season.

And yes he should've been closed down to it being 2 down territory. People have this assumption that if you go for it again THEN you get it. Well why didn't we get it on the 3rd down play? KC defense was a lot better than their offense the whole playoff run. Kyle made the logical decision to test their offense vs their defense. Especially because we had a young QB, CMC not having huge lanes to run through and our starting LG out of the game.

No matter how you slice it you're making up narratives to bash Kyle when the film shows his decisions were sound and logical based on the information we had in THAT game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

OMG dude get over yourself. What did KC analytics guy say when the rest of the analytics crew said the decision was 50/50 with an ever slight favor for actually taking it first?

KC got the win so they can talk but no matter how much you pretend the decision wasn't the reason we lost the game.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

OMG dude get over yourself. What did KC analytics guy say when the rest of the analytics crew said the decision was 50/50 with an ever slight favor for actually taking it first?

KC got the win so they can talk but no matter how much you pretend the decision wasn't the reason we lost the game.

We may disagree, ok agree to disagree.. what exactly is there to get over? The KC guys quotes are on record, you can look em up. I am aware of the analytics so is Kyle. It's public knowledge they planned for OT with their guys, and you can see all of em on board with the logic by their public comments.