49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

OMG dude get over yourself. What did KC analytics guy say when the rest of the analytics crew said the decision was 50/50 with an ever slight favor for actually taking it first?

KC got the win so they can talk but no matter how much you pretend the decision wasn't the reason we lost the game.

We may disagree, ok agree to disagree.. what exactly is there to get over? The KC guys quotes are on record, you can look em up. I am aware of the analytics so is Kyle. It's public knowledge they planned for OT with their guys, and you can see all of em on board with the logic by their public comments.

To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

OMG dude get over yourself. What did KC analytics guy say when the rest of the analytics crew said the decision was 50/50 with an ever slight favor for actually taking it first?

KC got the win so they can talk but no matter how much you pretend the decision wasn't the reason we lost the game.

We may disagree, ok agree to disagree.. what exactly is there to get over? The KC guys quotes are on record, you can look em up. I am aware of the analytics so is Kyle. It's public knowledge they planned for OT with their guys, and you can see all of em on board with the logic by their public comments.

To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

Question Kyle when there is something worthwhile to question.

Have any of you been able to explain how going over the OT rules before the game vs telling the players before OT kickoff impacts the play on the field?

Did KC know the rules better therefore they made it a point to score a TD and not get stopped?

What happens if we kick the ball off and Chiefs score their TD and we are stopped on our drive?

Did they play a different game in OT or was is still football? Literally the only difference is KC would be able to get the ball even if we scored a TD. We did not and it had nothing to do with Kyle btw who had a TD play dialed up but the replacement RG didn't block like he was coached.

Originally posted by genus49:
Our play had an open Aiyuk that Brock didn't throw to. He went to Jennings on the 1 on 1 and the KC player made a great play. It's a chess match and the other side is just as good as we were. I already mentioned Spags outcoaching the Pats in their almost perfect season.

And yes he should've been closed down to it being 2 down territory. People have this assumption that if you go for it again THEN you get it. Well why didn't we get it on the 3rd down play? KC defense was a lot better than their offense the whole playoff run. Kyle made the logical decision to test their offense vs their defense. Especially because we had a young QB, CMC not having huge lanes to run through and our starting LG out of the game.

No matter how you slice it you're making up narratives to bash Kyle when the film shows his decisions were sound and logical based on the information we had in THAT game.

I'm fine running 2x there and saying if we can't move the ball on the ground, we lose the SB. And if we can, we win the SB. We spent half a decade getting some of the best run assets in football, out wide blocking, Trent, CMC, fullback, TE who can block, you name it. So that's the logic. I'm less fine throwing 1x, and handing the game to Moody who just got a PAT blocked from his own fault, and Wilks, who Kyle clearly got a lil enraged with during the game. It's just an opinion.

On the whole, I do think Spags basically owned Kyle for another SB. We had similar pts and yds to 2019. Now, the SF D in both games played well enough to win (thru 3 qtrs), but it all went sideways in winning time, which is par for the KS course. I can say sure, the pass play got a man open, but it also had a free rusher speeding up Brock's clock, and ultimately batting it down as he left his hand. So is that play a win on how Kyle drew it up? Didn't play out that way. It played out as a Spags win. Why is someone free to BPs face? If you do a JTO film here, he thinks we may not even be hot. We have the numbers. 85 is in the backfield (Kyle getting cute alert) and not picking anyone up. Why do we have a TE in the backfield? Does this tip off KC that maybe we are throwing? Are we honestly gonna hand it to a TE? I mean we did hand to JJ in the playoffs in a wth manner, but let's get a lil real here.. if you have CMC in the backfield does that not make our play a lil less obvious? Isn't 85 better in-line and 23 better at blitz pickup from the backfield? So I have a few questions.. as do the former NFLers who watch this film.. anyone is welcome to disagree.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Our play had an open Aiyuk that Brock didn't throw to. He went to Jennings on the 1 on 1 and the KC player made a great play. It's a chess match and the other side is just as good as we were. I already mentioned Spags outcoaching the Pats in their almost perfect season.

And yes he should've been closed down to it being 2 down territory. People have this assumption that if you go for it again THEN you get it. Well why didn't we get it on the 3rd down play? KC defense was a lot better than their offense the whole playoff run. Kyle made the logical decision to test their offense vs their defense. Especially because we had a young QB, CMC not having huge lanes to run through and our starting LG out of the game.

No matter how you slice it you're making up narratives to bash Kyle when the film shows his decisions were sound and logical based on the information we had in THAT game.

I'm fine running 2x there and saying if we can't move the ball on the ground, we lose the SB. And if we can, we win the SB. We spent half a decade getting some of the best run assets in football, out wide blocking, Trent, CMC, fullback, TE who can block, you name it. So that's the logic. I'm less fine throwing 1x, and handing the game to Moody who just got a PAT blocked from his own fault, and Wilks, who Kyle clearly got a lil enraged with during the game. It's just an opinion.

On the whole, I do think Spags basically owned Kyle for another SB. We had similar pts and yds to 2019. Now, the SF D in both games played well enough to win (thru 3 qtrs), but it all went sideways in winning time, which is par for the KS course. I can say sure, the pass play got a man open, but it also had a free rusher speeding up Brock's clock, and ultimately batting it down as he left his hand. So is that play a win on how Kyle drew it up? Didn't play out that way. It played out as a Spags win. Why is someone free to BPs face? If you do a JTO film here, he thinks we may not even be hot. We have the numbers. 85 is in the backfield (Kyle getting cute alert) and not picking anyone up. Why do we have a TE in the backfield? Does this tip off KC that maybe we are throwing? Are we honestly gonna hand it to a TE? I mean we did hand to JJ in the playoffs in a wth manner, but let's get a lil real here.. if you have CMC in the backfield does that not make our play a lil less obvious? Isn't 85 better in-line and 23 better at blitz pickup from the backfield? So I have a few questions.. as do the former NFLers who watch this film.. anyone is welcome to disagree.

That's dumb I'm sorry. CMC averaged the 3rd worst per run in this game. You go for the win by picking up the 1st down. We had the right play. It's absolutely delusional to turn around and blame the coach when what he drew up was there to do the main job of winning the game.

You take the lead 100% of the time under 2 minutes to play. You should expect your defense to do their job as a HC. Once again KC's strength was their defense. You're acting like this was a dominant KC offense we were playing against.

You can argue about the design of the play but KC was able to stuff the run most of the game with their blitzes. Brock missed the read. It happens. He hits Aiyuk and we win the SB. It's as simple as that.

Lol @ delusional

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I'm fine running 2x there and saying if we can't move the ball on the ground, we lose the SB. And if we can, we win the SB. We spent half a decade getting some of the best run assets in football, out wide blocking, Trent, CMC, fullback, TE who can block, you name it. So that's the logic. I'm less fine throwing 1x, and handing the game to Moody who just got a PAT blocked from his own fault, and Wilks, who Kyle clearly got a lil enraged with during the game. It's just an opinion.

On the whole, I do think Spags basically owned Kyle for another SB. We had similar pts and yds to 2019. Now, the SF D in both games played well enough to win (thru 3 qtrs), but it all went sideways in winning time, which is par for the KS course. I can say sure, the pass play got a man open, but it also had a free rusher speeding up Brock's clock, and ultimately batting it down as he left his hand. So is that play a win on how Kyle drew it up? Didn't play out that way. It played out as a Spags win. Why is someone free to BPs face? If you do a JTO film here, he thinks we may not even be hot. We have the numbers. 85 is in the backfield (Kyle getting cute alert) and not picking anyone up. Why do we have a TE in the backfield? Does this tip off KC that maybe we are throwing? Are we honestly gonna hand it to a TE? I mean we did hand to JJ in the playoffs in a wth manner, but let's get a lil real here.. if you have CMC in the backfield does that not make our play a lil less obvious? Isn't 85 better in-line and 23 better at blitz pickup from the backfield? So I have a few questions.. as do the former NFLers who watch this film.. anyone is welcome to disagree.

We can only take you at your word that you would have been fine with running twice and not getting the 1st down. Regardless of whether you're telling the truth, it should be easy to acknowledge that we would have people second guessing the plays in that scenario. 'We have a an MVP, elite, Tier 1, aint nobody better but Mahomes, QB, and we don't pass on 3rd and 5!' 'Kyle has to put the ball in his MVP QB's hands there'. It's monday morning QB'ing either way when something doesn't work.

As to the beginning of your 2nd paragraph. Are you not aware as to how much better the 2023 Chiefs defense was versus their 2019 version? Do you not understand that their offense was much better in 2019? The 2019 49ers defense played out of their mind for the bulk of the SB against an elite opponent. The elite opponent we faced in this game was their defense.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

It is kinda weird that ppl are here to I guess defend him all day long, with every critical post. Just odd lol. Like Kyle needs some kind of savior to protect him from criticism lol.

I am sorry you are right, Kyle is the best coach ever, how could I have been so stupid and delusional? Next to Bill Walsh, he is the best..simply the best..actually, giving Bill a run for his money. He will probably have more rings than Bill too..just wait..it will happen

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

It is kinda weird that ppl are here to I guess defend him all day long, with every critical post. Just odd lol. Like Kyle needs some kind of savior to protect him from criticism lol.

I am sorry you are right, Kyle is the best coach ever, how could I have been so stupid and delusional? Next to Bill Walsh, he is the best..simply the best..actually, giving Bill a run for his money. He will probably have more rings than Bill too..just wait..it will happen

Nvm I take back what I said regarding you in the Purdy thread, keep up the s**t posting! 😂

Originally posted by Montana:
It is kinda weird that ppl are here to I guess defend him all day long, with every critical post. Just odd lol. Like Kyle needs some kind of savior to protect him from criticism lol.

I am sorry you are right, Kyle is the best coach ever, how could I have been so stupid and delusional? Next to Bill Walsh, he is the best..simply the best..actually, giving Bill a run for his money. He will probably have more rings than Bill too..just wait..it will happen

There are plenty of valid criticisms with Kyle we can discuss. Want to discuss structural flaws in his dropback pass game, questionable clock management, offensive pacing, rigidity with his system?

What we're mainly seeing is mostly bad arguments around play calls and a decision to kick/receive in OT. Nonsensical comparisons to previous years and teams. It's a football message board. It should probably be expected that people are going to disagree and challenge statements and it's going to get heated.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
We can only take you at your word that you would have been fine with running twice and not getting the 1st down. Regardless of whether you're telling the truth, it should be easy to acknowledge that we would have people second guessing the plays in that scenario. 'We have a an MVP, elite, Tier 1, aint nobody better but Mahomes, QB, and we don't pass on 3rd and 5!' 'Kyle has to put the ball in his MVP QB's hands there'. It's monday morning QB'ing either way when something doesn't work.

As to the beginning of your 2nd paragraph. Are you not aware as to how much better the 2023 Chiefs defense was versus their 2019 version? Do you not understand that their offense was much better in 2019? The 2019 49ers defense played out of their mind for the bulk of the SB against an elite opponent. The elite opponent we faced in this game was their defense.

I actually talked up the KC D, before the year began, which was met with LOLs from a few, but yeah they are good. They can be had on the ground tho, 18th rush yds allowed, and 24th in per play rush yds. Pass D is their strength, and Spags is known for his hard to handle, can come from anywhere blitz. We can talk also about how SF is different from 2019. We went from JG to Brock. We didn't have Trent in 2019. We didn't have CMC. Deebo had his breakout in 2021, two full years after 2019. BA his breakout in 2022. So all this is part of the mix.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Andy Reid was on the Rich Eisen this morning

Rich asked him about the coin toss, "were you surprised they took the ball first"?

"No, it was a tough call for them we weren't sure what they were gonna do. I understood why they took the ball first, we wanted it 2nd, but it's no surprise they went with the ball first"

He's a class act, he said similar immediately after the game. He was quick not to want to fault another coach or his tactics. He probably knows as a HC what it's like to lose a SB or be 2nd guessed. Mahomes said thanks for doing what we did, Kelce said we need the KC analytics guy, Chris Jones said we're crazy. Good on them, they planned for it and had their whole team bought in on the logic of what they are doing, and why.

OMG dude get over yourself. What did KC analytics guy say when the rest of the analytics crew said the decision was 50/50 with an ever slight favor for actually taking it first?

KC got the win so they can talk but no matter how much you pretend the decision wasn't the reason we lost the game.

We may disagree, ok agree to disagree.. what exactly is there to get over? The KC guys quotes are on record, you can look em up. I am aware of the analytics so is Kyle. It's public knowledge they planned for OT with their guys, and you can see all of em on board with the logic by their public comments.

To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

Question Kyle when there is something worthwhile to question.

1.Have any of you been able to explain how going over the OT rules before the game vs telling the players before OT kickoff impacts the play on the field?

2.Did KC know the rules better therefore they made it a point to score a TD and not get stopped?

3.What happens if we kick the ball off and Chiefs score their TD and we are stopped on our drive?

4. Did they play a different game in OT or was is still football? Literally the only difference is KC would be able to get the ball even if we scored a TD. We did not and it had nothing to do with Kyle btw who had a TD play dialed up but the replacement RG didn't block like he was coached.

Sorry, but no matter what you try to say to me it's as simple as giving Mahomes the last word in a championship game is as dumb as it gets, but I will explain my opinions along side yours in order.

1 & 2.
The players must play, but it doesn't hurt to understand game situations either. That shows a lack of communication between coaching staff and player. I didn't know this was the military with need to know pay grades etc.... It's the ultimate team sport. Just look at Juice's reaction on field when he found out Mahomes gets the ball no matter what. He was in disbelief.... Why did KC go over it and we did not?

2. KC players were dumbfounded we wanted the ball first. We know Reid would have deferred if they won the toss because he already decided he would knowing they need ether a field goal or a TD to match us and if it was a TD he was going to go for 2 and never give us a 3rd series knowing how tired the defenders were..... I am not saying thats not without its own gambles, but he has Mahomes and imo he had that planned out right. His best players, giving his team their best shot to win it.

3. Millions of what if's in life. Cant play scared. But if that's how Kyle thinks then the fire Kyle crowd may have a point.

4. I disagree here and this ties back into 1 and 2....They did play different because we not only gave Mahomes the ball last. We gave him 4 downs to do it which is massive imo given the situation. If the it was the other way around....Burford's horrific mistake would still have meant we had another down.

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Nvm I take back what I said regarding you in the Purdy thread, keep up the s**t posting! 😂

Lol I get frustrated when I come back and read stuff here haha..so maybe I just won't read s**t here, waste of time really. There will be arguments all off season or until this guy wins an SB *cough* lol

It's like Kyle can do no wrong bs and that is what bothers me..he f**ked up, but for some, that is impossible but whatever..keep defending him forever.

KS is a good coach. No other coach out there that I would want that is available. And with that said i have 0 faith that he will ever make the correct decisions when it matters most. But hey at least we went to overtime. And man only if luck was on our side.

Originally posted by Montana:

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
To even dare question Kyle is blasphemy to some lol

It is kinda weird that ppl are here to I guess defend him all day long, with every critical post. Just odd lol. Like Kyle needs some kind of savior to protect him from criticism lol.

I am sorry you are right, Kyle is the best coach ever, how could I have been so stupid and delusional? Next to Bill Walsh, he is the best..simply the best..actually, giving Bill a run for his money. He will probably have more rings than Bill too..just wait..it will happen

Nothing like lame hyperbole to avoid having to be logical and factual.

Kyle isn't perfect. There are things that should be questioned about him but there is a big middle ground between Kyle is perfect and did nothing wrong and Kyle should be fired because he can't win the SB.

How about Kyle just gets refs who actually call holding when it's egregious? He gets that and he's 2-0 in SBs. It's as fluky as that when saying someone can't win the big game.

You can criticize Kyle for not adjusting the game plan when KC adjusted and started locking down our receivers. You can give him a hard time about leaving Brock out there to make the quick decision on that critical 3rd and 5 but in doing all that you're also ignoring the numerous other things that went down in the game which cost us the SB win on their own, things that have nothing to do with Kyle.

People love to criticize in hindsight. "Should've ran it twice there. Should've gone for it on 4th down. Should've kicked the ball to KC in OT" I have 100% confidence that had all those decisions been different but we weren't successful at them you and others would be here blaming Kyle regardless saying "Should've passed it. Should've kicked the FG and played defense. Shouldn't have put the defense out there right away"

It's just the nature of the game.

Personally I don't blame Kyle for that loss. I've seen games where coaching is a major reason for the loss - either the team comes out ill prepared to play or they just look lost from the x's and o's perspective or completely abandon the run for no good reason. Ironically John Harbaugh, Mike McCarthy - two HCs with SB wins under their belt both did that this playoffs. Ravens completely abandoned the run in their game and Dallas came out totally unprepared to play the 7th seed at home.

Hell for all the hero worship Jim Harbaugh gets here he was far more to blame for the SB loss in 2012 than Shanahan was in the two Chiefs losses...and that was a loss to Jim's brother and Joe Flacco. Not exactly a dynasty the level of the Chiefs.

What I do need Kyle to do is realize we cannot keep hiding deficiencies on the OL. If Purdy is actually the QB he believes in then he has to protect him. I realize you can't just wave a magic wand and have an elite pass blocking OL but we all suspected OL would be our weak link, especially on the right side this season and we got away with it most of the season...until the most important game of the year. It has to be fixed or at least we have to attempt to fix it. It's always felt like an afterthought of sorts to Kyle, especially at the G positions but it has to be fixed.

Also I need Kyle to understand who he's playing. I don't want blind aggression - that's Dan Campbell but I need Kyle to understand that even if he's playing it safe, the other team may not and in the playoffs that should require an adjustment in thinking.

Last thing I need to see from Kyle - better in game adjustments. I understand going in with a game plan but he needs to react more quickly to changes whether injury or the opposing defense figuring something out and switching up our personnel that's being featured mid game.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I actually talked up the KC D, before the year began, which was met with LOLs from a few, but yeah they are good. They can be had on the ground tho, 18th rush yds allowed, and 24th in per play rush yds. Pass D is their strength, and Spags is known for his hard to handle, can come from anywhere blitz. We can talk also about how SF is different from 2019. We went from JG to Brock. We didn't have Trent in 2019. We didn't have CMC. Deebo had his breakout in 2021, two full years after 2019. BA his breakout in 2022. So all this is part of the mix.

Can be had on the ground over the course of the season sure. But they are designing a two week gameplan for the 49ers offense. That's going to be a heavier emphases on run defense than just about any other team in the NFL. This is one of the reasons Brock and the pass game was so successful this year. And how did it play out? Was CMC just cutting through their defense? No he wasn't. Not only were we not effectively special running the ball in the game, but we also had a critical turnover in scoring position. It'd be one thing to be critical if we were gashing them left and right and went away from it for no reason other than to get cute, but that wasn't the case.

You have continually referenced JTO's analysis (which I also appreciate), but what did he say about the run/pass mix? He said he thought Brock was probably our most effective weapon for the bulk of the game and it made sense to lean on him some (mentioned in the context of how we started the 2nd half especially). He questioned the design of the 3rd and 5 play, but did not fall back to a 'they needed to run the ball here' criticism. Passing on 3rd and 5 when you need a 1st, aren't dominating in the run game, and have a good QB with a plethora of targets is completely normal.