49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by Chance:
Disagreeing with some of his decisions and saying he crumbled are not the same things. The problem with the anti-Kyle crowd is that you can't even have a nuanced discussion because everything is so f**king hyperbolic.

Not just hyperbole, but some pretty wild opinions. Not trying to single any poster out but to think we had the best team in the NFL every year we've made the playoffs since 2011 (outside of 2022) indicates to me that we're not paying a lot of attention to other teams around the league.

We're one of the most highly bet teams in the league… very little value… and we just lost our first postseason game under KS as a favorite. And it was to a team that has won 3 of the last 5 SB's coming out of a the stronger conference.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Good point but I think overall we were better than the Chiefs, Rams and Eagles. Just some really bad play calls, yes execution from Jimmy, back up TE and Oline play.

I don't think the 9ers were better than the 2021 Packers let alone the Rams. When you need blocked punts to score your only TD it's hard to argue you are the best team in football.

You make good points but I think we were better than the Rams that year. We just couldn't execute a key drive in the 2nd half (Up 17-14 in the 4th quarter on the STL 40 on 2nd and 2 and couldn't get positive yards). Also we had beat CIN earlier in 2021 as well. Just a really tough last 5 years with the way things have ended.

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You make good points but I think we were better than the Rams that year. We just couldn't execute a key drive in the 2nd half (Up 17-14 in the 4th quarter on the STL 40 on 2nd and 2 and couldn't get positive yards). Also we had beat CIN earlier in 2021 as well. Just a really tough last 5 years with the way things have ended.

Difference in QB play was the difference. Same in 2019. Finally this time we had a QB approximating the elite QB he was facing but the offense ran into an elite D with arguably the best coordinator ever wrecking the offense much like he did vs the 07 Pats. Even then the potential game winning play was open.

I lament the missed easy first quarter td to Kittle far more then not picking up 2 yards.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by Leathaface:
You make good points but I think we were better than the Rams that year. We just couldn't execute a key drive in the 2nd half (Up 17-14 in the 4th quarter on the STL 40 on 2nd and 2 and couldn't get positive yards). Also we had beat CIN earlier in 2021 as well. Just a really tough last 5 years with the way things have ended.

Difference in QB play was the difference. Same in 2019. Finally this time we had a QB approximating the elite QB he was facing but the offense ran into an elite D with arguably the best coordinator ever wrecking the offense much like he did vs the 07 Pats. Even then the potential game winning play was open.

I lament the missed easy first quarter td to Kittle far more then not picking up 2 yards.

Yea it's just tough. Somehow today 49er highlights from the SB popped up on my phone and that was really difficult to watch. Just so damn close.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

You told me to cut the crap, then criticized Shanahans coaching in the second half… this forum never ceases to amaze me

Disagreeing with some of his decisions and saying he crumbled are not the same things. The problem with the anti-Kyle crowd is that you can't even have a nuanced discussion because everything is so f**king hyperbolic.

Exactly. Funny thing is these guys are acting like anyone who defends Kyle are acting like the guy is perfect. He's clearly not. No coach is. Kyle has his flaws. His lack of concern to the interior of the OL bit us in the ass but it's also hard to put all the blame on him when the guys who are out there still can't do what they're coached to do.

Andy Reid had PS guys called up for the game make big plays while some of our big name guys failed to make plays or didn't come anywhere close to their normal level of play. Yet it's Kyle getting all the blame in the hindsight game.

Im sorry but no matter how you slice it when one or two plays decide a game im not going to act like a HC can't win the big one. Especially when I see several fluke things happen in that game and players fail to execute well designed plays. I may have my issues with who Kyle chose to feature but at the same time Deebo is getting a lot of money, he should be held accountable for not making more plays. Or the OL not doing their job the few times he actually got open and Purdy couldn't get the throw off on time or accurately due to the rush.

Now if we ever go into a SB and look the way the team did in 2012 vs the Ravens, then we can talk about a coaching choke job.

This guy is clearly not perfect… they've gone to the nfc championship game 4 times and has ZERO super bowls to show for it. The guy just doesn't perform in the bright lights. It happened to the bills in the 90s and happening now to the niners. It's fine to criticize Shanahan.

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

You told me to cut the crap, then criticized Shanahans coaching in the second half… this forum never ceases to amaze me

Disagreeing with some of his decisions and saying he crumbled are not the same things. The problem with the anti-Kyle crowd is that you can't even have a nuanced discussion because everything is so f**king hyperbolic.

Exactly. Funny thing is these guys are acting like anyone who defends Kyle are acting like the guy is perfect. He's clearly not. No coach is. Kyle has his flaws. His lack of concern to the interior of the OL bit us in the ass but it's also hard to put all the blame on him when the guys who are out there still can't do what they're coached to do.

Andy Reid had PS guys called up for the game make big plays while some of our big name guys failed to make plays or didn't come anywhere close to their normal level of play. Yet it's Kyle getting all the blame in the hindsight game.

Im sorry but no matter how you slice it when one or two plays decide a game im not going to act like a HC can't win the big one. Especially when I see several fluke things happen in that game and players fail to execute well designed plays. I may have my issues with who Kyle chose to feature but at the same time Deebo is getting a lot of money, he should be held accountable for not making more plays. Or the OL not doing their job the few times he actually got open and Purdy couldn't get the throw off on time or accurately due to the rush.

Now if we ever go into a SB and look the way the team did in 2012 vs the Ravens, then we can talk about a coaching choke job.

This guy is clearly not perfect… they've gone to the nfc championship game 4 times and has ZERO super bowls to show for it. The guy just doesn't perform in the bright lights. It happened to the bills in the 90s and happening now to the niners. It's fine to criticize Shanahan.

Shanahan loses 2 SBs in 5 years and we're talking about "ifs" and "buts". That alone proves how compromised he is as a coach.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

3 straight pass attempts. 8/9 pass attempts on the 3 drives. Flabbergasting TBPH…

Once again you seem to want to overreact to make your point vs taking a step back and evaluating the drives properly.

It was 3 3 and out drives. That's 9 total plays.
Go back and look at the down and distance on them. You're not running it on 3rd and long. And when you're averaging less than 4 YPC you're unlikely to run on 2nd and long too.

The first drive was after the pick. Most coaches go for a kill shot there and iirc we had a big play dialed up that is there but pass pro broke down.

2nd down was a run play before Banks false starts, you can see him in run blocking mode during the false start. Now you have 2nd and long. That's a pass play.

2nd drive we had another big play that gets blown up and Jennings catches a pass for a big loss. Now it's 2nd and long again.

3rd drive we run it and gain a whopping 0 yards.

This is the difference between overreacting to the game and actually analyzing what happened in detail.

Keep it going. Everyone in the NFL world scratched their heads with his horrible 3rd quarter play calling, but leave it to some fans to spin it as brilliant given the circumstances. On other words Kyle wasn't the problem it was the players.

same s**t since 2019

Originally posted by DrEll:
Keep it going. Everyone in the NFL world scratched their heads with his horrible 3rd quarter play calling, but leave it to some fans to spin it as brilliant given the circumstances. On other words Kyle wasn't the problem it was the players.

same s**t since 2019

Everyone in the NFL world? Keep that hyperbole going.

Your posts are nothing but that.

Originally posted by socalfan21:
This guy is clearly not perfect… they've gone to the nfc championship game 4 times and has ZERO super bowls to show for it. The guy just doesn't perform in the bright lights. It happened to the bills in the 90s and happening now to the niners. It's fine to criticize Shanahan.

lol the Bills comparison?

Talk to me when we lose to a Jeff Hostetler or Mark Rypien type of QB.

We lost close games to Patrick Mahomes and Matt Stafford led teams and then another one where we finished with no QB who could throw…clearly Kyle Shanahan blowing it.

It's ok to criticize him but just make it rational.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

You told me to cut the crap, then criticized Shanahans coaching in the second half… this forum never ceases to amaze me

Disagreeing with some of his decisions and saying he crumbled are not the same things. The problem with the anti-Kyle crowd is that you can't even have a nuanced discussion because everything is so f**king hyperbolic.

Exactly. Funny thing is these guys are acting like anyone who defends Kyle are acting like the guy is perfect. He's clearly not. No coach is. Kyle has his flaws. His lack of concern to the interior of the OL bit us in the ass but it's also hard to put all the blame on him when the guys who are out there still can't do what they're coached to do.

Andy Reid had PS guys called up for the game make big plays while some of our big name guys failed to make plays or didn't come anywhere close to their normal level of play. Yet it's Kyle getting all the blame in the hindsight game.

Im sorry but no matter how you slice it when one or two plays decide a game im not going to act like a HC can't win the big one. Especially when I see several fluke things happen in that game and players fail to execute well designed plays. I may have my issues with who Kyle chose to feature but at the same time Deebo is getting a lot of money, he should be held accountable for not making more plays. Or the OL not doing their job the few times he actually got open and Purdy couldn't get the throw off on time or accurately due to the rush.

Now if we ever go into a SB and look the way the team did in 2012 vs the Ravens, then we can talk about a coaching choke job.

This guy is clearly not perfect… they've gone to the nfc championship game 4 times and has ZERO super bowls to show for it. The guy just doesn't perform in the bright lights. It happened to the bills in the 90s and happening now to the niners. It's fine to criticize Shanahan.

Shanahan loses 2 SBs in 5 years and we're talking about "ifs" and "buts". That alone proves how compromised he is as a coach.

Shanahan making it to two superbowls in 5 years doesn't prove what you think it does 🤣🤣🤣

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

The playcalling in the third quarter was an issue regardless of how emboldened you've become listening to your favorite sports broadcaster. No need to repost the drive stats…. Pretty simple stuff really.

Two drives, two opportunities to give CMC the ball on first down, two pass attempts instead. Dying on the "we're not able to run it on 3rd and 15" hill is dumb. All drives start at first and 10. Choosing to pass on first is a risky endeavor that often leads to second and 10.

any time we go three and out with three straight pass plays it's pretty cringe. Doing it twice in a row at a critical point in the Super Bowl is super cringe. A run for zero yards on the first play of the third drive doesn't redeem the decisions Kyle made.

kyle isn't the reason we lost, and is a great coach. He made a few head scratching decisions is all.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

The playcalling in the third quarter was an issue regardless of how emboldened you've become listening to your favorite sports broadcaster. No need to repost the drive stats…. Pretty simple stuff really.

Two drives, two opportunities to give CMC the ball on first down, two pass attempts instead. Dying on the "we're not able to run it on 3rd and 15" hill is dumb. All drives start at first and 10. Choosing to pass on first is a risky endeavor that often leads to second and 10.

any time we go three and out with three straight pass plays it's pretty cringe. Doing it twice in a row at a critical point in the Super Bowl is super cringe. A run for zero yards on the first play of the third drive doesn't redeem the decisions Kyle made.

kyle isn't the reason we lost, and is a great coach. He made a few head scratching decisions is all.

And yet we continued to throw the ball, and found effectiveness as the half wore on, which in turn loosened the defense to the run later. If the defense is stacking the box and playing man, daring you to pass, then you have to take it. Running into a wall on 1st and 2nd down is also not a good strategy. This hindsight b******t has got to stop. Yes, Kyle wasn't perfect. But he was far from what lost us the game.

Originally posted by Leathaface:

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by bassmanr:
Good point but I think overall we were better than the Chiefs, Rams and Eagles. Just some really bad play calls, yes execution from Jimmy, back up TE and Oline play.

I don't think the 9ers were better than the 2021 Packers let alone the Rams. When you need blocked punts to score your only TD it's hard to argue you are the best team in football.

You make good points but I think we were better than the Rams that year. We just couldn't execute a key drive in the 2nd half (Up 17-14 in the 4th quarter on the STL 40 on 2nd and 2 and couldn't get positive yards). Also we had beat CIN earlier in 2021 as well. Just a really tough last 5 years with the way things have ended.

Yes 4eva the Packers were better however I was looking to the Rams and Bengals. The rest above also was the play calling and a QB that fails in big moments. I would say the Niners were the best team left, but blew the NFCCG.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by socalfan21:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:

Originally posted by amir_tn80:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I thought the turning point was when we got the ball on the Chiefs 45 after the interception in the 3rd quarter and failed to get any points.

Not only that. The defense forced a punt on next drive and got the offense the ball in decent field position once again. The offense proceeded to go three and out on three passes. The score was 10-3 at this time. A score on either of those drives would have changed the game. The play calling in third quarter was appalling.

Very true. I think if we score on either one of those 2 drives we likely win the game. The playcalling on those 2 drives was very bad.

This has been the theme of shanahans coaching career. It won't change. The dude crumbles when things get tense or don't go his way. I'm very much looking forward to how he's going to mess up next season

Cut the crap. The playcalling was not the issue. I gave you the details of those 3 drives above. Execution was poor. The plays were there to be made.

That's also ignoring the fact that we scored on each of our last 3 drives where we had more than single
seconds to do something with.

If you want to blame him, blame him for not targeting Aiyuk/Kittle more in the 2nd half vs using Deebo as the offensive focal point.

The playcalling in the third quarter was an issue regardless of how emboldened you've become listening to your favorite sports broadcaster. No need to repost the drive stats…. Pretty simple stuff really.

Two drives, two opportunities to give CMC the ball on first down, two pass attempts instead. Dying on the "we're not able to run it on 3rd and 15" hill is dumb. All drives start at first and 10. Choosing to pass on first is a risky endeavor that often leads to second and 10.

any time we go three and out with three straight pass plays it's pretty cringe. Doing it twice in a row at a critical point in the Super Bowl is super cringe. A run for zero yards on the first play of the third drive doesn't redeem the decisions Kyle made.

kyle isn't the reason we lost, and is a great coach. He made a few head scratching decisions is all.

And yet we continued to throw the ball, and found effectiveness as the half wore on, which in turn loosened the defense to the run later. If the defense is stacking the box and playing man, daring you to pass, then you have to take it. Running into a wall on 1st and 2nd down is also not a good strategy. This hindsight b******t has got to stop. Yes, Kyle wasn't perfect. But he was far from what lost us the game.

I disagree with almost everything you posted, but agree that Kyle was far from what lost us the game 👍🏻. We were a sum of our errors. Can't point to any one mistake that lost if for us, but can identify mistakes by almost the entire roster that "if he wouldn't have done that, we'd probably be Super Bowl champions"

On to building for next year. Grieving period is officially done for me. It will always sting but ready to move on. I have stated my reasons for why we lost and believe they are valid but since he is still here there is nothing we can do about it. We need something to feel good about and hopefully that comes in free agency and draft. I am out of the Kyle discussion until next season or he does something good or bad before then. Later gents.