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Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by captveg:
Originally posted by Montana:
Excuses excuses..win a damn trophy lol
Technically he's won two, since they do display the NFC trophies.
/awaits triggered reply in 3...2...
Keep them Halas coming!!!
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We can agree to disagree. I don't blame it all on Kyle. Brock missed some open guys. Burford missed his assignment. CMC fumbled, and Trent sabotaged a drive with multiple penalties. It's never an all or nothing. I do think we had 2 rings (3 if we count 2021) on a platter, all with 10 point leads, and we found the ways to the L with a lot of strategy blunders. One can say maybe 1 time is bad luck, but certain trend here, especially considering he was hired immediately in the wake of a SB loss and had to answer up to it at his intro presser.
If one throws on tape of SB 58 it's our guys clamped all game and having to go to real ancillary targets like Conley or JJ cuz their 2 CBs are owning our top WRs. I thought the Shanny advantage is he schemes guys open, well not when we needed it most. So he needs to get better if we want to win in February.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So the tape shows Kyle needs to be better but the tape doesn't show any issues with Wilks because look at his season numbers.
When did a 10 point lead against elite quarterbacks suddenly become insurmoutsble? Such a ridiculous talking point. That's like lamenting a 7 point lead vs Steph Curry or Reggie Miller.
Since you brought up a basketball analogy, I feel like what the 49ers went through with playing Mahomes twice in the SB is similar to what the Jazz went through when they lost back to back Finals versus Jordan's Bulls. Just the s**ttiest luck to run up against the most clutch player at the time, on the biggest stage.
I would say get used to it, unless the plan is keep getting back and hoping someone like Flacco gets to the SB, oh wait...
lot of good QBs out there, Rodgers, Mahomes, Stroud, Burrow, Allen, gotta beat em to win rings. The old school 49ers beat Elway, Marino, Ken Anderson, Esiason, and the incomparable Stan Humphries
to add on here, your analogy is one reason why Belichick made some sense. He can match wits with how to stop Andy Reid. He's one of the great D minds of all time. Probably gives a better shot at stopping Mahomes than Wilks or Sorensen. Question of can we maintain the O at the same time.
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
good piece, I like this one:
"In recent conversations with confidants at the 49ers' training facility, he wasn't afraid to admit the truth: The 49ers were fortunate to have made it to Vegas in the first place. They probably should have lost their playoff opener to an underwhelming Green Bay team and needed a huge second-half comeback - fueled by a 51-yard pass that bounced off a defender's facemask - to overcome Detroit in the NFC Championship Game."
shame and if we look at causes, I look at a wasted year at DC. Either let Wilks be Wilks, or hire Sorensen over him. Kyle's yelling at Wilks in the SB, you brought him there, could have moved on in October, course, he didn't. Then we see items like drafting Lance and losing absurd draft capital which could have pushed us over the line in years like 2021 or 2023. Not having the team prepped on basic rules. A ton of red flags. Probably the biggest is an O that struggled to move the ball all postseason, loaded with playmakers.
We all know you'll find a narrative to push if it's there despite the facts.
Deebo out early vs the Packers in the rain - 24 points scored
Lions 34 points scored.
22 points scored vs a defense averaging giving up 17.
One thing you guys seem to miss while pulling out all the stops to blame everything on Shanahan is player execution hurt us on offense, and the weakest unit on the roster happened to be the OL which goes a long way to ensuring the success of both the passing and running games.
Defense was healthy for the most part and simply kept under performing schematically and the talented players we had sprinkled all over the place looked to be struggling more times than not. Outside the corners who are a specialty of Wilks, can you say any of our other stud defensive players played their best ball last year?
You can blame Shanahan on the Wilks hire but they took a shot and it failed. That's Kyle owning a mistake, you guys want to somehow absolve Wilks from the blame but still put it on Kyle for making the move. Weird.
You can blame Kyle for not addressing the OL enough but also hard to do when the guy we had starting in the SB gets hurt and his replacement makes key mistakes he wasn't coached to do. Only so many resources to go around...hopefully this draft we'll address the position properly.
But once again - the Chiefs defense was very good. How do we blame all that on Kyle when the Chiefs have made many offense look mediocre this season coupled with the fact that you have normally reliable players making critical errors in the game? Or forgetting the fact that Spagnulo has a history of shutting down offenses with elite playmakers, elite coaches and QBs.
lol at Giving credit to the 49ers for scoring 22 on a Chiefs vaunted defense. Talk about pushing narratives
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So the tape shows Kyle needs to be better but the tape doesn't show any issues with Wilks because look at his season numbers.
When did a 10 point lead against elite quarterbacks suddenly become insurmoutsble? Such a ridiculous talking point. That's like lamenting a 7 point lead vs Steph Curry or Reggie Miller.
Since you brought up a basketball analogy, I feel like what the 49ers went through with playing Mahomes twice in the SB is similar to what the Jazz went through when they lost back to back Finals versus Jordan's Bulls. Just the s**ttiest luck to run up against the most clutch player at the time, on the biggest stage.
I would say get used to it, unless the plan is keep getting back and hoping someone like Flacco gets to the SB, oh wait...
lot of good QBs out there, Rodgers, Mahomes, Stroud, Burrow, Allen, gotta beat em to win rings. The old school 49ers beat Elway, Marino, Ken Anderson, Esiason, and the incomparable Stan Humphries
to add on here, your analogy is one reason why Belichick made some sense. He can match wits with how to stop Andy Reid. He's one of the great D minds of all time. Probably gives a better shot at stopping Mahomes than Wilks or Sorensen. Question of can we maintain the O at the same time.
Go watch the Dynasty on Apple TV for your answer. There is a reason Bill didn't get a HC job somewhere else.
He's a brilliant mind, would've loved for us to bring him in as a consultant or something like that but the man is a mental drain on the players. He would not be a fit here unless we wanted to get rid of several key players or alienate them.
The simple fact is both times we could have and should have won the game so it's not like we're just getting worked. The issue is we keep getting screwed by the way the refs call/not call the game and while we did a better job of it this round we ended up making key mistakes that hurt us worse in the process.
Would I rather avoid KC in the SB? Hell yes. Would I take a guaranteed SB trip even if the opponent is KC? Hell yes!
Originally posted by DrEll:
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Originally posted by DrEll:Now I get it.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
So the tape shows Kyle needs to be better but the tape doesn't show any issues with Wilks because look at his season numbers.
When did a 10 point lead against elite quarterbacks suddenly become insurmoutsble? Such a ridiculous talking point. That's like lamenting a 7 point lead vs Steph Curry or Reggie Miller.
Since you brought up a basketball analogy, I feel like what the 49ers went through with playing Mahomes twice in the SB is similar to what the Jazz went through when they lost back to back Finals versus Jordan's Bulls. Just the s**ttiest luck to run up against the most clutch player at the time, on the biggest stage.
I would say get used to it, unless the plan is keep getting back and hoping someone like Flacco gets to the SB, oh wait...
lot of good QBs out there, Rodgers, Mahomes, Stroud, Burrow, Allen, gotta beat em to win rings. The old school 49ers beat Elway, Marino, Ken Anderson, Esiason, and the incomparable Stan Humphries
to add on here, your analogy is one reason why Belichick made some sense. He can match wits with how to stop Andy Reid. He's one of the great D minds of all time. Probably gives a better shot at stopping Mahomes than Wilks or Sorensen. Question of can we maintain the O at the same time.
Go watch the Dynasty on Apple TV for your answer. There is a reason Bill didn't get a HC job somewhere else.
He's a brilliant mind, would've loved for us to bring him in as a consultant or something like that but the man is a mental drain on the players. He would not be a fit here unless we wanted to get rid of several key players or alienate them.
The simple fact is both times we could have and should have won the game so it's not like we're just getting worked. The issue is we keep getting screwed by the way the refs call/not call the game and while we did a better job of it this round we ended up making key mistakes that hurt us worse in the process.
Would I rather avoid KC in the SB? Hell yes. Would I take a guaranteed SB trip even if the opponent is KC? Hell yes!
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Are you for real? Do you know how analogies work?
The ref comment was a simple throw in to show that things like that can swing games. I have never blamed the refs for this recent loss but it's ignorant to burry your head in the "Kyle blew it" sand and ignore clear infractions that hurt the 49ers from making the plays they needed to make.
Also feel free to share those articles. I'm sure those people used the same hindsight and hypothetical second guessing approach that you are.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Are you for real? Do you know how analogies work?
The ref comment was a simple throw in to show that things like that can swing games. I have never blamed the refs for this recent loss but it's ignorant to burry your head in the "Kyle blew it" sand and ignore clear infractions that hurt the 49ers from making the plays they needed to make.
Also feel free to share those articles. I'm sure those people used the same hindsight and hypothetical second guessing approach that you are.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Are you for real? Do you know how analogies work?
The ref comment was a simple throw in to show that things like that can swing games. I have never blamed the refs for this recent loss but it's ignorant to burry your head in the "Kyle blew it" sand and ignore clear infractions that hurt the 49ers from making the plays they needed to make.
Also feel free to share those articles. I'm sure those people used the same hindsight and hypothetical second guessing approach that you are.
If anyone sounds like that its DrL 🤡
Originally posted by Chance:
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by DrEll:
You're starting to remind me of Trump. You know how he has a hard time blaming Putin every time he's provided evidence of a Russian crime ? Why is it so hard for some of you to just state the obvious ? It's just ludicrous that we have a handful of fans that have no problem blaming the refs for 2 SB losses, but get offended or go into denial mode when the head coach gets identified as the culprit. It's so opposite from what the rest of the world thinks. I haven't seen one authentic piece, Niner media related or otherwise, that has devoted an ounce of energy into how the refs screwed the 49ers twice in the SB, let alone 4 times if you count the NFCC games. But I can post a million articles on media pointing fingers at Kyle Shanahan. Of course you guys just brush them off as "haters", "jealous", "opinion types", etc.
Are you for real? Do you know how analogies work?
The ref comment was a simple throw in to show that things like that can swing games. I have never blamed the refs for this recent loss but it's ignorant to burry your head in the "Kyle blew it" sand and ignore clear infractions that hurt the 49ers from making the plays they needed to make.
Also feel free to share those articles. I'm sure those people used the same hindsight and hypothetical second guessing approach that you are.
If anyone sounds like that its DrL 🤡
Word.
The guy that sounds like Trump is the guy complaining like a child, hyper focused on a dumb position, and void of a nuanced thought. What a weird form of projection.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
b***h and moan everyday. Ignore facts. Deflect. Make up bs. Play victim. Rinse and repeat.
Not self aware at all
