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Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I remember when you guys wanted Harbaugh fired for Tomsula.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was true. Have yet to see an intelligent argument. Mostly just crying, bad predictions, and insults to generations instead.

Plenty of reasonable arguments, you have the blinders on if you don't see em
There's good with Shanny and bad also, it's not black and white as most ppl portray

Way more good than bad. Like I said, probably better for some of you to follow another team. Kyle's going to be here for a while sorry that upset some people
[ Edited by GoreGoreGore on Mar 29, 2024 at 1:45 PM ]
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Plenty of reasonable arguments, you have the blinders on if you don't see em
There's good with Shanny and bad also, it's not black and white as most ppl portray

No there really isn't, lol.

I'm not talking about a discussion of his flaws, which he obviously has and nearly everyone acknowledges. It's more the choke artist, incapable of winning the SB, best team for 5 years, should be replaced, nonsense.
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
No there really isn't, lol.

I'm not talking about a discussion of his flaws, which he obviously has and nearly everyone acknowledges. It's more the choke artist, incapable of winning the SB, best team for 5 years, should be replaced, nonsense.

It can go beyond flaws, depending on your view. Like the worst draft investement in team history, during a SB window no less, and near zero ROI. That was likely all him. I don't buy Jed or Lynch calling QB shots. Or having the play sheet as these 10 pt leads disintegrate. Over, and over, and over. I don't care how you slice the DC maneuvers, they sucked. I think he should have empowered Wilks and had him run his scheme, or hire Sorensen a year sooner. So there are most likely rings we left on the table. How about having this team as unprepared for a big moment as any club we have seen over 58 SBs? Can you name any SB moment as unprepared as our OT? The takeaway on that game will forever be they planned for the moment and we didn't, and lost. Now if this is enough to get him on the hot seat or out is subjective to who is making that determination. Some owners are more accepting of missteps than others. I'll say Harbs got canned for much less, Harbs never really made huge mistakes, he just butted heads with ppl in the FO including the bossman.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
It can go beyond flaws, depending on your view. Like the worst draft investement in team history, during a SB window no less, and near zero ROI. That was likely all him. I don't buy Jed or Lynch calling QB shots. Or having the play sheet as these 10 pt leads disintegrate. Over, and over, and over. I don't care how you slice the DC maneuvers, they sucked. I think he should have empowered Wilks and had him run his scheme, or hire Sorensen a year sooner. So there are most likely rings we left on the table. How about having this team as unprepared for a big moment as any club we have seen over 58 SBs? Can you name any SB moment as unprepared as our OT? The takeaway on that game will forever be they planned for the moment and we didn't, and lost. Now if this is enough to get him on the hot seat or out is subjective to who is making that determination. Some owners are more accepting of missteps than others. I'll say Harbs got canned for much less, Harbs never really made huge mistakes, he just butted heads with ppl in the FO including the bossman.

We've been over your arguments. They aren't good. Why empower a DC with no track record of success to run his scheme instead of ours when ours has produced an elite defense for multiple years? Why did Wilks take the job if he felt hamstrung by constraints the team put on him from the start. This is just a bad excuse for a mediocre at best DC.

You still haven't explained how 'not preparing the team' for the new OT rules had any actual effect on the game. Especially important considering the game played out no differently than it would have under the last set of rules. You're basically relying on conjecture and have no substantive argument for how it hurt the team.

You've also shown an unwillingness to understand the analytics behind the decision to kick/receive and will hang on your feelings and what the Chiefs said they would have done instead.

You do have a point about Kyle and his mismanagement of the QB position and the selection of Trey Lance. He corrected that mistake about as fast as reasonably possible and I'd make the argument we have structural flaws in the FO that prevented us from hiring a dedicated GM and allowed Kyle to dictate the terms of his hiring here. You can thank Jed and Paraag for that, and for the Harbaugh fiasco as well. GM after GM said no thanks to this franchise, and we should be grateful we were able to find a high quality coach willing to come here who has also done a pretty damn good job building out the roster with Lynch and CO.
[ Edited by SmokeyJoe on Mar 29, 2024 at 2:10 PM ]
Harbs choked to the absolute worst SB winner of the 21st century. Was a 5.5 point favorite if memory serves. If that's not a "mistake" I don't know what is.

Being "unprepared for ot " is somehow worse than being completely unprepared for 2 1/2 quarters and needing a long stoppage to regroup to keep from getting curb stomped in a SB? Make it make sense.
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Mar 29, 2024 at 4:34 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbs choked to the absolute worst SB winner of the 21st century. Was a 5.5 point favorite if memory serves. If that's not a "mistake" I don't know what is.

Being "unprepared for ot " is somehow worse than being completely unprepared for 2 1/2 quarters and needing a long stoppage to regroup to keep from getting curb stomped in a SB? Make it make sense.

I don't recall any team leaders saying we didn't prepare for specific situations after SB 47
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbs choked to the absolute worst SB winner of the 21st century. Was a 5.5 point favorite if memory serves. If that's not a "mistake" I don't know what is.

Being "unprepared for ot " is somehow worse than being completely unprepared for 2 1/2 quarters and needing a long stoppage to regroup to keep from getting curb stomped in a SB? Make it make sense.

Kyle is a two-time Super Bowl choker.

Not an easy feat.
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbs choked to the absolute worst SB winner of the 21st century. Was a 5.5 point favorite if memory serves. If that's not a "mistake" I don't know what is.

Being "unprepared for ot " is somehow worse than being completely unprepared for 2 1/2 quarters and needing a long stoppage to regroup to keep from getting curb stomped in a SB? Make it make sense.

Kyle is a two-time Super Bowl choker.

Not an easy feat.
Superbowls are usually a 50-50 toss up (as Andy Reid just said), so losing 2 really close games to a an all time great QB really isn't all that shocking. Winning those games, like Reid did, is not an easy feat. Just because someone loses the game doesn't always mean that team "choked." They lost, that's the game of Football. Getting a team to that stage is considered successful in this league, although you wouldn't know from a lot of spoiled-brat fans.

Ask coaches and players what they think. I doubt they would ever refer to Kyle as a "choker," like some fans like to do.
Originally posted by BP13:
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Harbs choked to the absolute worst SB winner of the 21st century. Was a 5.5 point favorite if memory serves. If that's not a "mistake" I don't know what is.

Being "unprepared for ot " is somehow worse than being completely unprepared for 2 1/2 quarters and needing a long stoppage to regroup to keep from getting curb stomped in a SB? Make it make sense.

Kyle is a two-time Super Bowl choker.

Not an easy feat.
Superbowls are usually a 50-50 toss up (as Andy Reid just said), so losing 2 really close games to a an all time great QB really isn't all that shocking. Winning those games, like Reid did, is not an easy feat. Just because someone loses the game doesn't always mean that team "choked." They lost, that's the game of Football. Getting a team to that stage is considered successful in this league, although you wouldn't know from a lot of spoiled-brat fans.

Ask coaches and players what they think. I doubt they would ever refer to Kyle as a "choker," like some fans like to do.

Some of these guys never played a sport in their life

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't recall any team leaders saying we didn't prepare for specific situations after SB 47

You mean like what to do on the goal line and how to get the play off in a critical situation? Clearly they were super prepared.

Entire team was completely unprepared. They got a penalty on the very first freaking play by not being lined up right. On a play they would've practiced all week long.

It's a sad narrative you are trying to push at this point
[ Edited by 9ers4eva on Mar 29, 2024 at 5:32 PM ]
Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I don't recall any team leaders saying we didn't prepare for specific situations after SB 47

You mean like what to do on the goal line and how to get the play off in a critical situation? Clearly they were super prepared.

Entire team was completely unprepared. They got a penalty on the very first freaking play by not being lined up right. On a play they would've practiced all week long.

It's a sad narrative you are trying to push at this point

hes still upset that Kyle got rid of his favorite QB of all time
Originally posted by BP13:
Superbowls are usually a 50-50 toss up (as Andy Reid just said), so losing 2 really close games to a an all time great QB really isn't all that shocking. Winning those games, like Reid did, is not an easy feat. Just because someone loses the game doesn't always mean that team "choked." They lost, that's the game of Football. Getting a team to that stage is considered successful in this league, although you wouldn't know from a lot of spoiled-brat fans.

Ask coaches and players what they think. I doubt they would ever refer to Kyle as a "choker," like some fans like to do.

A choke is when you lose to an inferior team. 2007 Pats. 2012 9ers. 2001 Rams. 98 Vikes in NFC title game.
Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
hes still upset that Kyle got rid of his favorite QB of all time

Then let his 2nd fav qb of all time go the next year.
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Originally posted by 9ers4eva:
Originally posted by BP13:
Superbowls are usually a 50-50 toss up (as Andy Reid just said), so losing 2 really close games to a an all time great QB really isn't all that shocking. Winning those games, like Reid did, is not an easy feat. Just because someone loses the game doesn't always mean that team "choked." They lost, that's the game of Football. Getting a team to that stage is considered successful in this league, although you wouldn't know from a lot of spoiled-brat fans.

Ask coaches and players what they think. I doubt they would ever refer to Kyle as a "choker," like some fans like to do.

A choke is when you lose to an inferior team. 2007 Pats. 2012 9ers. 2001 Rams. 98 Vikes in NFC title game.

Pretty sure we were favorites against KC both times. Yes we choked. It's obvious. No reason to spin it…
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Originally posted by TheWooLick:
I remember when you guys wanted Harbaugh fired for Tomsula.

Wouldn't be surprised if that was true. Have yet to see an intelligent argument. Mostly just crying, bad predictions, and insults to generations instead.

Plenty of reasonable arguments, you have the blinders on if you don't see em
There's good with Shanny and bad also, it's not black and white as most ppl portray

What you consider reasonable arguments are hypothetical analysis using the benefit of hindsight or using someone else's opinion on Kyle doing those same things as a counter.

There are reasonable criticisms of Kyle but they're getting completely overlooked by the garbage takes in here and over the top reactions from
the "he's a choker, replace him" crowd.

Some of who ironically think Harbaugh is a better HC than Kyle.
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