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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

If you want to boil it down to just that, then we ain't winning period. Cuz they are still good and not on our team. I think there's more to it than that.
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

Their defense was also very good.

Imo, that's the most dangerous chiefs team was last year since they finally put together a very good defense and they had a capable RB.

I rather face them when all they had is a passing attack.
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Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

With Shanahan as HC, we might as well give up any hope of winning a SB until those two retire.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

If you want to boil it down to just that, then we ain't winning period. Cuz they are still good and not on our team. I think there's more to it than that.

It's the NFL not the other leagues. You don't get a best of 7 series to decide the champ. Playoff games just like regular season games can easily go either way.

You would have a much better point if they lost a game like we saw Dallas lose this WC round.

You know what wins SBs more times than not? Great QB play and great defense.

In 2019 our QB crumbled in crunch time and couldn't make the plays there to make, KC defense made key plays to hurt us and the refs ignored clear penalties that would've kept our drives alive and clock running.

This year KC had the better QB and defense and we still had a ton of chances to win it.

No matter how you slice it, it's simply lazy and dumb to say Shanahan is a choker when winning in the playoffs is so damn hard regardless and he's never had a playoff appearance without winning at least 2 games.

And as much as it sucks losing to the best QB in the sport isn't a joke situation. It takes a pretty perfect game to beat those guys in the playoffs.

Thankfully it looks like we have a pretty good QB of our own now. He's already gotten further than Mahomes did his first 2 seasons in the NFL. Let's hope we manage to improve the OL in front of him and get the defense back on track. We do that and we have a good shot to get back to ending the postseason with a win.
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

If you want to boil it down to just that, then we ain't winning period. Cuz they are still good and not on our team. I think there's more to it than that.

It's the NFL not the other leagues. You don't get a best of 7 series to decide the champ. Playoff games just like regular season games can easily go either way.

You would have a much better point if they lost a game like we saw Dallas lose this WC round.

You know what wins SBs more times than not? Great QB play and great defense.

In 2019 our QB crumbled in crunch time and couldn't make the plays there to make, KC defense made key plays to hurt us and the refs ignored clear penalties that would've kept our drives alive and clock running.

This year KC had the better QB and defense and we still had a ton of chances to win it.

No matter how you slice it, it's simply lazy and dumb to say Shanahan is a choker when winning in the playoffs is so damn hard regardless and he's never had a playoff appearance without winning at least 2 games.

And as much as it sucks losing to the best QB in the sport isn't a joke situation. It takes a pretty perfect game to beat those guys in the playoffs.

Thankfully it looks like we have a pretty good QB of our own now. He's already gotten further than Mahomes did his first 2 seasons in the NFL. Let's hope we manage to improve the OL in front of him and get the defense back on track. We do that and we have a good shot to get back to ending the postseason with a win.
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

That's a good point we actually played a really great game vs Mahomes. He had 1 TD in regulation off a muffed punt. If you had told me coming in he gets 1 TD in 60 mins I probably say we win.
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

If you want to boil it down to just that, then we ain't winning period. Cuz they are still good and not on our team. I think there's more to it than that.

It's the NFL not the other leagues. You don't get a best of 7 series to decide the champ. Playoff games just like regular season games can easily go either way.

You would have a much better point if they lost a game like we saw Dallas lose this WC round.

You know what wins SBs more times than not? Great QB play and great defense.

In 2019 our QB crumbled in crunch time and couldn't make the plays there to make, KC defense made key plays to hurt us and the refs ignored clear penalties that would've kept our drives alive and clock running.

This year KC had the better QB and defense and we still had a ton of chances to win it.

No matter how you slice it, it's simply lazy and dumb to say Shanahan is a choker when winning in the playoffs is so damn hard regardless and he's never had a playoff appearance without winning at least 2 games.

And as much as it sucks losing to the best QB in the sport isn't a joke situation. It takes a pretty perfect game to beat those guys in the playoffs.

Thankfully it looks like we have a pretty good QB of our own now. He's already gotten further than Mahomes did his first 2 seasons in the NFL. Let's hope we manage to improve the OL in front of him and get the defense back on track. We do that and we have a good shot to get back to ending the postseason with a win.
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Yes we're all aware the many errors in the game. You can argue semantics but the point was if you don't play a clean game you're not likely to win.

We didn't play a clean game and lost. The whole round and round here is a number of people are acting like the coaching was key in losing this game. I'd say the issues you list point to less blame being on the coaching staff.

Unless our coaches preached turning over the ball in key moments or to not block KC's best player I'd say coaching while not perfect had the team in position to win the game, they just didn't do their part.

But two teams play. The other team's job is to not make it easy.
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

That's a good point we actually played a really great game vs Mahomes. He had 1 TD in regulation off a muffed punt. If you had told me coming in he gets 1 TD in 60 mins I probably say we win.

Yet you've spent a few posts in this thread saying Kyle blew it by not being super aggressive because "it's Mahomes"?

So "it's Mahomes" when Kyle isn't aggressive enough in hindsight after a loss.

But not when acknowledging the fact that Kyle's 2 SB losses are vs a great coached team with the best QB in the game?
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

That's a good point we actually played a really great game vs Mahomes. He had 1 TD in regulation off a muffed punt. If you had told me coming in he gets 1 TD in 60 mins I probably say we win.

Yet you've spent a few posts in this thread saying Kyle blew it by not being super aggressive because "it's Mahomes"?

So "it's Mahomes" when Kyle isn't aggressive enough in hindsight after a loss.

But not when acknowledging the fact that Kyle's 2 SB losses are vs a great coached team with the best QB in the game?

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Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.
Originally posted by Koldo:
Originally posted by thl408:
Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Originally posted by genus49:
Originally posted by Pillbusta:
Were the 49ers the only club that lost in the postseason to KC or did MIA BUF and BAL lose too? Are they the joke of the NFL as well?

Then we beat both DET and GB. I can only imagine the jeers and sneers they must be receiving?

If anyone in the NFL had a joke of a postseason it was the Dallas Cowboys last I checked

Miami and Buffalo are not jokes of the NFL because they have a bunch of SBs in recent history.

We ain't no joke, but it's about winning champs. 5 years of the SB window, tons of talent, tons of opportunity, heck tons of 10 point leads in critical games, fair to wonder or assess why there is no ring.

Because the 49ers were not better than Mahomes/Reid - those two guys are kinda good.

With Shanahan as HC, we might as well give up any hope of winning a SB until those two retire.

Who you're preferred HC to take us over the hump?
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.

Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?
[ Edited by 5thSFG on Apr 3, 2024 at 4:45 AM ]
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.

Dude wants to post about lazy takes and goes with "our coach choked"

The irony making Tony Stark jealous.

Such a casual take to claim a coach called a bad game and had poor gameplan because the team lost. It takes two teams to play the game and KC had a great defense out there with one of the best defensive minds in the game. Think the Pats should've cleaned house in 2008 after Spags took it to them and their all time offense with a less talented Giants defense?

I dare you to show me the plays that were schematically bad designs or awful playcalls. Not "look they didn't get this conversion/TD" laziness.

We can make hindsight analysis and say should ran it here but when the play shows wide open receivers and the defense either bats the ball down or our OL can't protect the QB enough so he can deliver the pass that's not on the coach. That's a lack of execution. Blaming the coach for those is lazy as hell.

The gameplan Kyle put together was great. His playcalls got the Chiefs to go off of their gameplan but then we didn't counter well enough. That's the only flaw Kyle had on there. What KC started doing should've pivoted us to run the offense through Aiyuk when we went to pass instead of Deebo. But even with that problem the plays were still there to be made had the protection held up. So unless you want to blame Feleciano getting hurt on Kyle too your lazy narrative is just that.

As far as your "you can't win a SB scoring 19 or 20 points" let's ignore the fact they scored 22 this SB and look at the 19 number.

35 of the 58 SBs played the losing team scored under 19 points. So more than half of SBs won would've been won by scoring 19 points.

Just like we would've won this one had the defense done their job late and protected 3 leads in the 4th QTR and OT. But yes it's all Kyle's fault.
Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Originally posted by DrEll:
Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.

Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?

Andy Reid was just as bad of a choker until he met a guy worse than him in big moments which is nearly impossible. You do realize who gave him 2-3 wins right? Reid Jr. aka Shanny. Hopefully one day we get a opposing coach worse than Shanny at losing big games but that's not likely. Reid just got lucky he found someone worse at choking than him.

And yes all that stuff is worth mentioning because execution is a direct reflection of the guy running the team. Poor execution is why we've lost multiple SBs and NFCC'S. We have switched QBs, we now have the best RB in the league, a better defense and still lost. The one constant in all of this. The HC.
[ Edited by MucketyMuck on Apr 3, 2024 at 5:38 AM ]
Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Andy Reid was just as bad of a choker until he met a guy worse than him in big moments which is nearly impossible. You do realize who gave him 2-3 wins right? Reid Jr. aka Shanny. Hopefully one day we get a opposing coach worse than Shanny at losing big games but that's not likely. Reid just got lucky he found someone worse at choking than him.

And yes all that stuff is worth mentioning because execution is a direct reflection of the guy running the team. Poor execution is why we've lost multiple SBs and NFCC'S. We have switched QBs, we now have the best RB in the league, a better defense and still lost. The one constant in all of this. The HC.

More like until Reid got a generational/hof QB. Strange how that works
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