49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.

Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?

Andy Reid was just as bad of a choker until he met a guy worse than him in big moments which is nearly impossible. You do realize who gave him 2-3 wins right? Reid Jr. aka Shanny. Hopefully one day we get a opposing coach worse than Shanny at losing big games but that's not likely. Reid just got lucky he found someone worse at choking than him.

And yes all that stuff is worth mentioning because execution is a direct reflection of the guy running the team. Poor execution is why we've lost multiple SBs and NFCC'S. We have switched QBs, we now have the best RB in the league, a better defense and still lost. The one constant in all of this. The HC.

Yep. Exactly. As I said before, Kyle gets more credit for this Chiefs dynasty than Reid does.

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Andy Reid was just as bad of a choker until he met a guy worse than him in big moments which is nearly impossible. You do realize who gave him 2-3 wins right? Reid Jr. aka Shanny. Hopefully one day we get a opposing coach worse than Shanny at losing big games but that's not likely. Reid just got lucky he found someone worse at choking than him.

And yes all that stuff is worth mentioning because execution is a direct reflection of the guy running the team. Poor execution is why we've lost multiple SBs and NFCC'S. We have switched QBs, we now have the best RB in the league, a better defense and still lost. The one constant in all of this. The HC.

Yep. Exactly. As I said before, Kyle gets more credit for this Chiefs dynasty than Reid does.

You guys are right. we should fire the head coach every year until we go 20-0.

Originally posted by frenchmov:
More like until Reid got a generational/hof QB. Strange how that works

Well when you don't see much of a difference between Pat and Jimmy you can't recognize how much of an impact that has.

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?

I think CMC fumbling is just a bad luck and rare event. Other stuff like players having mishaps, penalties, part of that does indeed fall on the coach. If we credit Kyle when the O does well we can't simply blame the players when the O doesn't do well. That's having it two ways. We saw NFL players break down the whiffed Burford block and they say it's on Burford and also the scheme from KS sucks, with popping out the center. On both.

Originally posted by 9ers4eva:

Originally posted by frenchmov:
More like until Reid got a generational/hof QB. Strange how that works

Well when you don't see much of a difference between Pat and Jimmy you can't recognize how much of an impact that has.

Facts! There were even some who were saying they would rather have Jimmy then Pat at that time

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:

Originally posted by DrEll:

Originally posted by DaleGribble:
It wouldn't have taken anywhere near a perfect game to beat the Chiefs in either SB a lack of execution,questionable play calling and shady officiating were the ultimate determining factors not Mahomes.

Exactly. It's lazy to say we lost to the Chiefs TWICE because "Mahomes is too good". Give me a break. Anyone can see that we SHOULD have won both games because we had a better team. We lost because our coach choked. It's as simple as that. 20 and 19 points in regulation in both games will not win you a SB period. The first one we blamed Jimmy. No one has the balls to call out Brock this time bc he played fine. So who's left ? It's obvious that it Kyle and is inability to call a sound offensive game, but of course his defenders start nitpicking with cliche remarks like "failed to execute" and "player x screwed up that one play and that cost us the game". Of course it was Kyle. You don't put up 20 points in the Super Bowl TWICE and expect to win. Sorry.

Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?

Andy Reid was just as bad of a choker until he met a guy worse than him in big moments which is nearly impossible. You do realize who gave him 2-3 wins right? Reid Jr. aka Shanny. Hopefully one day we get a opposing coach worse than Shanny at losing big games but that's not likely. Reid just got lucky he found someone worse at choking than him.

And yes all that stuff is worth mentioning because execution is a direct reflection of the guy running the team. Poor execution is why we've lost multiple SBs and NFCC'S. We have switched QBs, we now have the best RB in the league, a better defense and still lost. The one constant in all of this. The HC.

Yep. Exactly. As I said before, Kyle gets more credit for this Chiefs dynasty than Reid does.

So true. Kyle is KC's unsung hero.

Wow, these posters saying that KS is the problem. They remind me of flat-earthers.

Originally posted by eastie:
Wow, these posters saying that KS is the problem. They remind me of flat-earthers.

Lol pretty much

Originally posted by eastie:
Wow, these posters saying that KS is the problem. They remind me of flat-earthers.

I don't think KS is the problem, in fact I think he's an asset, however, it's up for debate if he's the best coach on the planet to lead this team. I mean you had HOFers available in the coaching cycle. Kyle can coach but so can Belichick. Sometimes when it's stagnant without a ring, you need a shakeup. I don't think KS is perfect, and he deserves to be called out for missteps just like any player or coach.

I cant remember the last time a flat earth choked multiple 10 points leads and a 25 point lead in three Superbowls.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by 5thSFG:
Just to make sure I understand the bolded….Williams penalties, cmcs fumble, our muffed punt, purdys missed touchdown passes, our o-lines blocking mishaps, a blocked extra point…. None of those things are worth mentioning because "it's Shanahan, simple as that"?

Intuitive stuff

would be interesting to see you use this same logic with 2019 Andy Reid. A lot of nfccg and Super Bowl losses on that resume…. Bust coach?

I think CMC fumbling is just a bad luck and rare event. Other stuff like players having mishaps, penalties, part of that does indeed fall on the coach. If we credit Kyle when the O does well we can't simply blame the players when the O doesn't do well. That's having it two ways. We saw NFL players break down the whiffed Burford block and they say it's on Burford and also the scheme from KS sucks, with popping out the center. On both.

You know who else had turnovers, missed blocks, penalties, etc ? But still found a way to win ? The Chiefs. And they did it 2019 also. Coaches came in clutch when it mattered. Tightened the screws. Ours loosened the grip. Lost the game they had in hand twice in 5 years. But let's blame the players

Originally posted by DrEll:
You know who else had turnovers, missed blocks, penalties, etc ? But still found a way to win ? The Chiefs. And they did it 2019 also. Coaches came in clutch when it mattered. Tightened the screws. Ours loosened the grip. Lost the game they had in hand twice in 5 years. But let's blame the players

To me it's pretty clear when it's Spags vs Shanny, who has the edge. And that's if KC has a middle of pack D or high end D or what have you. Kinda similar with Shanny vs Schwartz. One would hope that after a SB against there would be some lessons learned and a better effort next time out, but it wasn't the case. Round 3 we will figure it out appears to be what we are banking on.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by DrEll:
You know who else had turnovers, missed blocks, penalties, etc ? But still found a way to win ? The Chiefs. And they did it 2019 also. Coaches came in clutch when it mattered. Tightened the screws. Ours loosened the grip. Lost the game they had in hand twice in 5 years. But let's blame the players

To me it's pretty clear when it's Spags vs Shanny, who has the edge. And that's if KC has a middle of pack D or high end D or what have you. Kinda similar with Shanny vs Schwartz. One would hope that after a SB against there would be some lessons learned and a better effort next time out, but it wasn't the case. Round 3 we will figure it out appears to be what we are banking on.

I hope Kyle at least has the Super Bowl OT rules down if we face the Chiefs again.

Originally posted by Koldo:

I hope Kyle at least has the Super Bowl OT rules down if we face the Chiefs again.

Still waiting on am explanation as to how that changes anything.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing with the "fire Shanahan" group because they either don't know ball, or are too blinded by extreme fandom in some weird, entitled way. It is worth mentioning tho that a lot of the chess match happens before the game. They come up with a game plan and practice that game plan all week. They don't have time to practice "break in case of emergency" plays. It's not so easy to just say "things aren't working, abandon the game plan amd go to plan B!" Execution would even more unreliable.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Koldo:

I hope Kyle at least has the Super Bowl OT rules down if we face the Chiefs again.

Still waiting on am explanation as to how that changes anything.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing with the "fire Shanahan" group because they either don't know ball, or are too blinded by extreme fandom in some weird, entitled way. It is worth mentioning tho that a lot of the chess match happens before the game. They come up with a game plan and practice that game plan all week. They don't have time to practice "break in case of emergency" plays. It's not so easy to just say "things aren't working, abandon the game plan amd go to plan B!" Execution would even more unreliable.

When I see this point made it exposes a certain willful blindness toward coaching mistakes. Let's see you explain to me why our approach of 'not going over it' per Juice was better than KCs approach of going over it since TC per their players. One team is prepared here and another isn't. It's clear as day.