49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
Still waiting on am explanation as to how that changes anything.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing with the "fire Shanahan" group because they either don't know ball, or are too blinded by extreme fandom in some weird, entitled way. It is worth mentioning tho that a lot of the chess match happens before the game. They come up with a game plan and practice that game plan all week. They don't have time to practice "break in case of emergency" plays. It's not so easy to just say "things aren't working, abandon the game plan amd go to plan B!" Execution would even more unreliable.

Absolutely nailed it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Koldo:

I hope Kyle at least has the Super Bowl OT rules down if we face the Chiefs again.

Still waiting on am explanation as to how that changes anything.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing with the "fire Shanahan" group because they either don't know ball, or are too blinded by extreme fandom in some weird, entitled way. It is worth mentioning tho that a lot of the chess match happens before the game. They come up with a game plan and practice that game plan all week. They don't have time to practice "break in case of emergency" plays. It's not so easy to just say "things aren't working, abandon the game plan amd go to plan B!" Execution would even more unreliable.

When I see this point made it exposes a certain willful blindness toward coaching mistakes. Let's see you explain to me why our approach of 'not going over it' per Juice was better than KCs approach of going over it since TC per their players. One team is prepared here and another isn't. It's clear as day.

Exactly... KC players were prepared and knew exactly what their plan was. They were mentally prepared to follow the "game plan" that Reid put into place. Kyle didn't even address it. Personally I'm pretty certain he didn't even know the rule himself.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:

Originally posted by Koldo:

I hope Kyle at least has the Super Bowl OT rules down if we face the Chiefs again.

Still waiting on am explanation as to how that changes anything.

Anyway, it's not worth arguing with the "fire Shanahan" group because they either don't know ball, or are too blinded by extreme fandom in some weird, entitled way. It is worth mentioning tho that a lot of the chess match happens before the game. They come up with a game plan and practice that game plan all week. They don't have time to practice "break in case of emergency" plays. It's not so easy to just say "things aren't working, abandon the game plan amd go to plan B!" Execution would even more unreliable.

When I see this point made it exposes a certain willful blindness toward coaching mistakes. Let's see you explain to me why our approach of 'not going over it' per Juice was better than KCs approach of going over it since TC per their players. One team is prepared here and another isn't. It's clear as day.

Exactly... KC players were prepared and knew exactly what their plan was. They were mentally prepared to follow the "game plan" that Reid put into place. Kyle didn't even address it. Personally I'm pretty certain he didn't even know the rule himself.

I see ppl concede that we weren't as prepared and then they drift into 'well preparation doesn't matter' territory..
since when does preparation not matter?

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see ppl concede that we weren't as prepared and then they drift into 'well preparation doesn't matter' territory..
since when does preparation not matter?

It's not a concession to ask you to substantiate your argument. You think they weren't prepared. How did it effect the play on the field?

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I see ppl concede that we weren't as prepared and then they drift into 'well preparation doesn't matter' territory..
since when does preparation not matter?

It's not a concession to ask you to substantiate your argument. You think they weren't prepared. How did it effect the play on the field?

We've brought up the multitude of mistakes ad nauseum. Not making critical mistakes time and time and time and time again is part of being prepared. It's part of a coaches job. As far as Shanny not knowing the rules, that's just one mistake out of many. If he can't even address a basic rule with his team, what else is he forgetting? I mean you listen to KC talk about and they were in awe that our players were oblivious.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
We've brought up the multitude of mistakes ad nauseum. Not making critical mistakes time and time and time and time again is part of being prepared. It's part of a coaches job. As far as Shanny not knowing the rules, that's just one mistake out of many. If he can't even address a basic rule with his team, what else is he forgetting? I mean you listen to KC talk about and they were in awe that our players were oblivious.

This word salad is not remotely close to substantiating the argument.

You and others have specifically and repeatedly criticized the the coach and staff for the players not being aware of the new OT rules. Beyond the fact that you are speculating, you have yet to make any real argument for what effect that had on the team's play in OT. Were they not trying to score a TD regardless of the set of the rules they were playing under? They would have been more desperate to score the TD under the old rules in the first place. They didn't. Once they didn't get the TD, did they not need to get a stop against KC's offense? It would have been the same situation under either set of rules. They didn't. Their play wasn't altered at all. You might have an argument had they scored the TD, mistakingly celebrated a win, and then had the realization that they still had to get a stop. That didn't happen.

Trying to hide the fact that you can't substantiate your argument by speculating that because they didn't know the new rules indicates they may not be prepared in other ways is truly ridiculous. You can't substantiate either argument: that not knowing the new OT rules affected the OT play, or that they were unprepared in any other facet.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
This word salad is not remotely close to substantiating the argument.

You and others have specifically and repeatedly criticized the the coach and staff for the players not being aware of the new OT rules. Beyond the fact that you are speculating, you have yet to make any real argument for what effect that had on the team's play in OT? Were they not trying to score a TD regardless of the set of the rules they were playing under? They would have been more desperate to score the TD under the old rules in the first place. They didn't. Once they didn't get the TD, did they not need to get a stop against KC's offense? It would have been the same situation under either set of rules. They didn't. Their play wasn't altered at all. You might have an argument had they scored the TD, mistakingly celebrated a win, and then had the realization that they still had to get a stop. That didn't happen.

Trying to hide the fact that you can't substantiate your argument by speculating that because they didn't know the new rules indicates they may not be prepared in other ways is truly ridiculous. You can't substantiate either argument: that not knowing the new OT rules affected the OT play, or that they were unprepared in any other facet.

Lot of words to say preparation don't mean jack. I say, it does. Like Walsh scripting his plays. Why did that matter? It was more preparation. I have found in life my performance is most often equal to my preparation. Or lack thereof.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
We've brought up the multitude of mistakes ad nauseum. Not making critical mistakes time and time and time and time again is part of being prepared. It's part of a coaches job. As far as Shanny not knowing the rules, that's just one mistake out of many. If he can't even address a basic rule with his team, what else is he forgetting? I mean you listen to KC talk about and they were in awe that our players were oblivious.

This word salad is not remotely close to substantiating the argument.

You and others have specifically and repeatedly criticized the the coach and staff for the players not being aware of the new OT rules. Beyond the fact that you are speculating, you have yet to make any real argument for what effect that had on the team's play in OT. Were they not trying to score a TD regardless of the set of the rules they were playing under? They would have been more desperate to score the TD under the old rules in the first place. They didn't. Once they didn't get the TD, did they not need to get a stop against KC's offense? It would have been the same situation under either set of rules. They didn't. Their play wasn't altered at all. You might have an argument had they scored the TD, mistakingly celebrated a win, and then had the realization that they still had to get a stop. That didn't happen.

Trying to hide the fact that you can't substantiate your argument by speculating that because they didn't know the new rules indicates they may not be prepared in other ways is truly ridiculous. You can't substantiate either argument: that not knowing the new OT rules affected the OT play, or that they were unprepared in any other facet.

We lost... you can sit here and make up all the excuses you want but we lost in OT. That is finite. The 3rd greatest player in history had the ball last and drive down and won the game. Kyle gave him that chance. Not anymore else. Kyle. He put the ball in the best player in the leagues hand to finish the game. It's pretty damn insane that you can't comprehend such common sense. You don't put the ball in Tom Brady's hand to walk off. You don't put the ball in Michael Jordans hands to walk off. Well Shanny does....

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Lot of words to say preparation don't mean jack. I say, it does. Like Walsh scripting his plays. Why did that matter? It was more preparation. I have found in life my performance is most often equal to my preparation. Or lack thereof.

At no point in my post did I even insinuate that preparation doesn't matter. I am asking you and the few others who keep making this argument to provide tangible examples of play on the field that shows a lack of preparation, specifically in the context of the new OT rules.

None of you can do it, lol. It's not hard to figure out. How would not knowing the new OT rules change anything about how they executed on either side of the ball? Needed a TD either way.., didn't get it. Needed a stop… didn't get it.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by eastie:
Wow, these posters saying that KS is the problem. They remind me of flat-earthers.

I don't think KS is the problem, in fact I think he's an asset, however, it's up for debate if he's the best coach on the planet to lead this team. I mean you had HOFers available in the coaching cycle. Kyle can coach but so can Belichick. Sometimes when it's stagnant without a ring, you need a shakeup. I don't think KS is perfect, and he deserves to be called out for missteps just like any player or coach.

Bill got passed up by every team he interviewed with. Bill hasn't been s**t without Brady either.

If we would have hired BB that means we would have to do a complete switch in the front office as well, and coaching staff. He still wants to be the GM of the team too hence the reason all the teams passed on him.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
We lost... you can sit here and make up all the excuses you want but we lost in OT. That is finite. The 3rd greatest player in history had the ball last and drive down and won the game. Kyle gave him that chance. Not anymore else. Kyle. He put the ball in the best player in the leagues hand to finish the game. It's pretty damn insane that you can't comprehend such common sense. You don't put the ball in Tom Brady's hand to walk off. You don't put the ball in Michael Jordans hands to walk off. Well Shanny does....

Our players and the coaches put the ball in his hands with a chance to win by not scoring a TD and a 2pt conversion on the first drive. That's the only scenario where he wouldn't have had a chance* to win the game.

Again, how would not knowing the new rules change that. Would have been exactly the same as the old rules.

What happened wasn't a failure of preparation. It was a failure of execution. They simply did not make the plays they needed to make on either side of the ball, and if you think that's strictly because of play calls and coaching, you have a lot to learn.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
We lost... you can sit here and make up all the excuses you want but we lost in OT. That is finite. The 3rd greatest player in history had the ball last and drive down and won the game. Kyle gave him that chance. Not anymore else. Kyle. He put the ball in the best player in the leagues hand to finish the game. It's pretty damn insane that you can't comprehend such common sense. You don't put the ball in Tom Brady's hand to walk off. You don't put the ball in Michael Jordans hands to walk off. Well Shanny does....

Our players and the coaches put the ball in his hands with a chance to win by not scoring a TD and a 2pt conversion on the first drive. That's the only scenario where he wouldn't have had a chance* to win the game.

Again, how would not knowing the new rules change that. Would have been exactly the same as the old rules.

I don't care. Your question is nothing more to deflect blame on anyone but the HC. The OT call was just one of MANY mistakes and blunders we've seen over the past 7 years here and the 25 point choke job in Atlanta. You are trying to make it seem like the like OT is a that mattered. We shouldn't even have been in OT. We had so many chances before that. So many....

To me, the inability for a coach to do his job and alert his team of a rule change and have his players prepared like Reid did is just another example of many why Shanny chokes. Chiefs knew exactly what they were going to do. We didn't. Now can I prove that was a main factor? No but to act stupid and say it has absolutely no impact on a lie. Knowing the rules and explaining them is a coaches job.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I don't care. Your question is nothing more to deflect blame on anyone but the HC. The OT call was just one of MANY mistakes and blunders we've seen over the past 7 years here and the 25 point choke job in Atlanta. You are trying to make it seem like the like OT is a that mattered. We shouldn't even have been in OT. We had so many chances before that. So many....

Of course you don't care. Convenient when you have absolutely nothing to contribute other than crying.

We definitely had our opportunities. Nobody disagrees with that. The players weren't out there making mistakes being hampered by the coaches with few exceptions, and the Chiefs are a great team.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
I don't care. Your question is nothing more to deflect blame on anyone but the HC. The OT call was just one of MANY mistakes and blunders we've seen over the past 7 years here and the 25 point choke job in Atlanta. You are trying to make it seem like the like OT is a that mattered. We shouldn't even have been in OT. We had so many chances before that. So many....

Of course you don't care. Convenient when you have absolutely nothing to contribute other than crying.

We definitely had our opportunities. Nobody disagrees with that. The players weren't out there making mistakes being hampered by the coaches with few exceptions, and the Chiefs are a great team.

No it's a stupid question. Sorry. You're using it to deflect the actual conversation. The conversation is a multitude of mistakes not just one. We're not just talking about one OT call. You're intentionally dumbing down the conversation to one little call.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
No it's a stupid question. Sorry.

Asking you to substantiate your argument isn't stupid. I'm sorry you can't do it.