49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
No it's a stupid question. Sorry. You're using it to deflect the actual conversation. The conversation is a multitude of mistakes not just one. We're not just talking about one OT call. You're intentionally dumbing down the conversation to one little call.

I'm not citing any call. The issue here is you haven't cited a single one, let alone many.

What play or plays in OT would have played out differently assuming the team didn't know the new rules? Does Burforf not abandon his assignment if he 'knows the new rules'? Does Wilks call a different defense on 4th and 1 under the old set of rules?

It's just transparent nonsense.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Our players and the coaches put the ball in his hands with a chance to win by not scoring a TD and a 2pt conversion on the first drive. That's the only scenario where he wouldn't have had a chance* to win the game.

Again, how would not knowing the new rules change that. Would have been exactly the same as the old rules.

What happened wasn't a failure of preparation. It was a failure of execution. They simply did not make the plays they needed to make on either side of the ball, and if you think that's strictly because of play calls and coaching, you have a lot to learn.

By this logic, no HC should ever be fired if they can't be held accountable for their players' failure to execute.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
No it's a stupid question. Sorry. You're using it to deflect the actual conversation. The conversation is a multitude of mistakes not just one. We're not just talking about one OT call. You're intentionally dumbing down the conversation to one little call.

I'm not citing any call. The issue here is you haven't cited a single one, let alone many.

What play or plays in OT would have played out differently assuming the team didn't know the new rules? Does Burforf not abandon his assignment if he 'knows the new rules'? Does Wilks call a different defense on 4th and 1 under the old set of rules?

It's just transparent nonsense.

Does KC go for it on 4th and 1 on our 34 if they get the ball first? More than likely but you never know. Thing is, Shanny gift wrapped that 4th and 1 to them for free. They had no choice. They got a free down. Instead of putting the decision on Reid, Shanny put it on himself.

You're wasting your time with 🤡 squad. Let them keep crying everyday, it's funny.

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
Our players and the coaches put the ball in his hands with a chance to win by not scoring a TD and a 2pt conversion on the first drive. That's the only scenario where he wouldn't have had a chance* to win the game.

Again, how would not knowing the new rules change that. Would have been exactly the same as the old rules.

What happened wasn't a failure of preparation. It was a failure of execution. They simply did not make the plays they needed to make on either side of the ball, and if you think that's strictly because of play calls and coaching, you have a lot to learn.

By this logic, no HC should ever be fired if they can't be held accountable for their players' failure to execute.

I notice ppl credit Kyle when the O goes well and fault the players when it goes sideways. I've seen NFL O-linemen break down our pass pro errors, JTO also, and they mention errors from players in this game, and also they go into the scheme in great detail, and how it does indeed have issues. I find it to be both.

Originally posted by Koldo:
By this logic, no HC should ever be fired if they can't be held accountable for their players' failure to execute.

Except I'm including the coach in that criticism along with the players.

And to even imply a coach should be fired or on the hot seat for losing a SB to another great team in OT based on the mistakes the players specifically made in that game is absurd. You'd think we got blown out 50-0 with the arguments some of you make.

The Chiefs are every bit as great a team as we are. It's not 1989. They have been a great team in the better conference for 5 years. We aren't going to go out there and put up 30 plus points like the team on the other side doesn't have an elite defense. To act like it's some kind of surprise or massive organizational failure to lose a 50/50 heartbreaker just shows how delusional some of you homers are. Watch other teams. Understand it's a league of parity. We aren't heads and shoulders better than the competition. We are one of 4-5 great teams over the last 5 years.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice ppl credit Kyle when the O goes well and fault the players when it goes sideways. I've seen NFL O-linemen break down our pass pro errors, JTO also, and they mention errors from players in this game, and also they go into the scheme in great detail, and how it does indeed have issues. I find it to be both.

Yes, JTO in particular points out schematic issues with our dropback passing game. It's the weakness of our scheme. Does anyone actually dispute that.

He also points out that he would draft Brock Purdy third in this coming draft, yet our scheme and the talent around him, along with his skill, allows him to produce like he's the best QB in football. Multiple seasons contending with Jimmy G. These are credits to our staff, not negatives. Kyle is a victim of his success with a lot of you because you think the players are better than they actually are.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by Koldo:
By this logic, no HC should ever be fired if they can't be held accountable for their players' failure to execute.

Except I'm including the coach in that criticism along with the players.

And to even imply a coach should be fired or on the hot seat for losing a SB to another great team in OT based on the mistakes the players specifically made in that game is absurd? You'd think we got blown out 50-0 with the arguments some of you make.

The Chiefs are every bit as great a team as we are. It's not 1989. They have been a great team in the better conference for 5 years. We aren't going to go out there and put up 30 plus points like the team on the other side doesn't have an elite defense. To act like it's some kind of surprise or massive organizational failure to lose a 50/50 heartbreaker just shows how delusional some of you homers are. Watch other teams. Understand it's a league of parity. We aren't heads and shoulders better than the competition. We are one of 4-5 great teams over the last 5 years.

Chiefs didn't have CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo. Chiefs had one guy. This 49ers team was the best roster in the entire NFL. Just stop.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice ppl credit Kyle when the O goes well and fault the players when it goes sideways. I've seen NFL O-linemen break down our pass pro errors, JTO also, and they mention errors from players in this game, and also they go into the scheme in great detail, and how it does indeed have issues. I find it to be both.

Yes, JTO in particular points out schematic issues with our dropback passing game. It's the weakness of our scheme. Does anyone actually dispute that.

He also points out that he would draft Brock Purdy third in this coming draft, yet our scheme and the talent around him, along with his skill, allows him to produce like he's the best QB in football. Multiple seasons contending with Jimmy G. These are credits to our staff, not negatives. Kyle is a victim of his success with a lot of you because you think the players are better than they actually are.

Kyle is a victim

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Chiefs didn't have CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo. Chiefs had one guy. This 49ers team was the best roster in the entire NFL. Just stop.

Yea they have arguably the best QB of all time, one of the best receiving TE's of all time, a good offensive line, one of the best pass rushers in the league, elite secondary and maybe the only coaching staffs better than ours currently.

You couldn't trade CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, and Deebo for Patrick Mahomes. Our best DB is a Kansas City cast off. To think we are so much more talented than that team is blind homerism. We were 1-2 point favorites as one of the most heavily bet teams in the league. Most of the media and other teams' fans picked against us. Yall seem to only give those people credence when it's convenient.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Kyle is a victim

A victim of his success with people like yourself, DrEll, the dude who is confused by the concept of stan. What a disingenuous attempt to twist the point.

He's not a victim in reality because people who know the game understand his value. These people understand that the team has the success it does in large part because he is incredibly good at what he does.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
Chiefs didn't have CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, Deebo. Chiefs had one guy. This 49ers team was the best roster in the entire NFL. Just stop.

Yea they have arguably the best QB of all time, one of the best receiving TE's of all time, a good offensive line, one of the best pass rushers in the league, elite secondary and maybe the only coaching staffs better than ours currently.

You couldn't trade CMC, Kittle, Aiyuk, and Deebo for Patrick Mahomes. Our best DB is a Kansas City cast off. To think we are so much more talented than that team is blind homerism. We were 1-2 point favorites as one of the most heavily bet teams in the league. Most of the media and other teams' fans picked against us. Yall seem to only give those people credence when it's convenient.

No it's in league leading all pros and pro bowlers. It's why we're favorites next year too. Because this roster is absolutely stacked. Do we have weaknesses? Of course but to sit and act like we aren't extremely talented is just you playing dumb.

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
No it's in league leading all pros and pro bowlers. It's why we're favorites next year too. Because this roster is absolutely stacked. Do we have weaknesses? Of course but to sit and act like we aren't extremely talented is just you playing dumb.

I didn't say we weren't talented. I said we were one of the 4-5 best teams in the league over the last 5 years, but we weren't head and shoulders better than the other great teams.

We weren't more talented than the 22 Eagles, 21 Rams, or even the 19 Chiefs. We may have had more pro bowlers than the Chiefs this season but they arguably have better talent at the key positions. Better QB by a wide margin, better OL, better secondary…. We have better skill players and linebackers. What is it actually worth? Again you couldn't trade our best three players for the Chiefs singular best player. And that's a pretty important position in today's game.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Kyle is a victim

A victim of his success with people like yourself, DrEll, the dude who is confused by the concept of stan. What a disingenuous attempt to twist the point.

He's not a victim in reality because people who know the game understand his value. These people understand that the team has the success it does in large part because he is incredibly good at what he does.

People who know the game have also called him out in his s**t. I understand Kyle is a great HC, I wouldn't trade him for much, but that doesn't mean he doesn't have some pretty glaring flaws. My problem is his questionable coaching when it matters the most. When it's all on the line. A 25 point collapse. A 10 point collapse. Another one when we had the ball at our 40 after an int.

When the pressure is on, Shanny has continuously failed. You can sit an argue otherwise but at the end of the day, Shanny is 0-3 and should've won all 3.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by MucketyMuck:
No it's in league leading all pros and pro bowlers. It's why we're favorites next year too. Because this roster is absolutely stacked. Do we have weaknesses? Of course but to sit and act like we aren't extremely talented is just you playing dumb.

I didn't say we weren't talented. I said we were one of the 4-5 best teams in the league over the last 5 years, but we weren't head and shoulders better than the other great teams.

We weren't more talented than the Eagles, Rams, or even the 19 Chiefs. We may have had more pro bowlers than the Chiefs this season but they arguably have better talent at the key positions. Better QB by a wide margin, better OL, better secondary…. We have better skill players and linebackers. What is it actually worth? Again you couldn't trade our best three players for the Chiefs singular best player. And that's a pretty important position in today's game.

I mean... you sit and prop up Mahomes yet you don't think giving this guy the ball to end the game...BY CHOICE... was dumb?

Name me a single player you'd rather have with the opportunity Shanny gave Mahomes. Name me one player you'd put out there instead of Mahomes in that scenario in the entire NFL.