49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by krizay:
I have no clue why there is anything to debate.

IMO Kyle played it perfectly Why do I say that?

Because up 3 with 5 plus minutes left. 4th and goal from the 5. We forced a FG. If Reid and Mahomes was so ballsy, why did they kick a FG to tie it up. Why not go for TD to force us to scored a TD? because FG was the smart play.

Down 3 with 6 seconds left on 2nd and 10. If Reid and Mahomes was so ballsy why did they kick a FG to tie it up and force OT? because FG was the smart play.

So taking the ball 1st knowing you just held them to tie it up twice is the smart play. Especially knowing it's sudden death starting the 3rd possession.

For those arguing the Chiefs would have went for 2 for the win. Why didn't they gamble like that on their last 2 possessions?

KC confirmed their OT plan

from online: According to Mahomes, if San Francisco opened overtime with a touchdown and then Kansas City scored one of its own, the Chiefs planned to go for two to try to win the game right then and there. "I don't know if Coach Reid wants me telling everybody, but we would've went for two for sure," he said on SportsCenter.Feb 12, 2024

It's pretty stunning how well KC had this pre planned and also all their players coached up on the planning, (which we clearly did not bother to do, per our own guys). Even if you feel receive is the right call, (I don't but I can say ok fair enough if you feel that way) I think anyone has to agree KC did way better getting their guys planned and bought in on the plan many times in advance. As I understand, the new OT rules have been going on for years of playoffs. We weren't prepped for any of them. Could have bit us in the rear at any time, and happened to do so in the SB.

So stupid of him to not defer and settle for an fg, dumbs**t decisions

Lol Kyle said the defense was wiped out..well in that case, you better be damn sure to get a TD..derp, this isn't rocket surgery

Oh wait..I am not supposed to say any of this OMG 😱

I mean..what I meant to say is..Kyle has one of greatest minds in football..he will get 3 rings..maybe more..maybe 10. This year for sure.

Originally posted by Montana:
So stupid of him to not defer and settle for an fg, dumbs**t decisions

Lol Kyle said the defense was wiped out..well in that case, you better be damn sure to get a TD..derp, this isn't rocket surgery

Oh wait..I am not supposed to say any of this OMG 😱

I mean..what I meant to say is..Kyle has one of greatest minds in football..he will get 3 rings..maybe more..maybe 10. This year for sure.

"I love my coach"

Originally posted by Koldo:

Originally posted by Montana:
So stupid of him to not defer and settle for an fg, dumbs**t decisions

Lol Kyle said the defense was wiped out..well in that case, you better be damn sure to get a TD..derp, this isn't rocket surgery

Oh wait..I am not supposed to say any of this OMG 😱

I mean..what I meant to say is..Kyle has one of greatest minds in football..he will get 3 rings..maybe more..maybe 10. This year for sure.

"I love my coach"

My saying would be I love my team. And the team is always something more than 1 man. Hate to see rings left on the table with suboptimal decisions or lack of doing basic prep that the other team is doing. So while he is good there is room to improve. I hope some team knocks off KC that's just not a good matchup for KS. And ppl reference Mahomes, I am saying irrespective of him. I'm talking about how our O moves vs Spags D. Answer is not well.

Originally posted by adrianlesnar:
And if we fail the 2 pt, Kyle is still to blame. After all, execution of that play is on him, correct? Otherwise this conversation wouldn't be happening...if we score a TD and get a stop like we're supposed to, we win.

The arguments I've seen are "shanny is dumb for giving mahomes ball last - unprepared!" Or "didnt know the rules, unprepared!" Well actually, taking the ball 1st IS preparing for the possibility to ensure he can't get the ball last IF our offense executes.

Knowing the rules doesn't mean that his decision would have been any different. And if his decision isn't any different, his game plan wouldn't have been any different. You think he didn't have an OT game plan for if his team lost the coin toss?! I'll tell you what it was. Stop mahomes. Score points.

It doesn't have anything to do with my original question, but I would accept the argument that not knowing the rules MIGHT suggest the coach fails to prepare the team in other areas - that would be a perfectly fine speculation to make. But any small amount of time spent looking for something to substantiate that suspicion leads to plenty of evidence to the contrary. By all accounts, shanny is a perfectionist, and works his guys.

Like I said these guys are so hell bent to blame Kyle for all the losses they're talking all over themselves.

Faithful will acknowledge that the Chiefs and Mahomes couldn't get a real TD drive all game long and then act like Kyle's decision making in OT should've been based on Mahomes from his MVP seasons.

Yes we lost and Mahomes got that TD drive in the end so people can go back to the "you never let Mahomes have the ball last!" conversation and act like it had merit the whole time.

Fact is Kyle's decisions were sound. The more dangerous unit on the field for the Chiefs was their defense. Let's talk about the fact that we had several of our big time players have horrible games. Even CMC as good as he played stat wise had the critical fumble when the offense was driving and a total momentum changer.

Trent Williams had a brutal game with penalties and some key failures even in run blocking vs guys who were PS call ups. Deebo looked like he didn't want to be there.

I just think looking at how that game went and acting like it was Kyle Shanahan's fault is so lazy.

Originally posted by genus49:
Like I said these guys are so hell bent to blame Kyle for all the losses they're talking all over themselves.

Faithful will acknowledge that the Chiefs and Mahomes couldn't get a real TD drive all game long and then act like Kyle's decision making in OT should've been based on Mahomes from his MVP seasons.

Yes we lost and Mahomes got that TD drive in the end so people can go back to the "you never let Mahomes have the ball last!" conversation and act like it had merit the whole time.

Fact is Kyle's decisions were sound. The more dangerous unit on the field for the Chiefs was their defense. Let's talk about the fact that we had several of our big time players have horrible games. Even CMC as good as he played stat wise had the critical fumble when the offense was driving and a total momentum changer.

Trent Williams had a brutal game with penalties and some key failures even in run blocking vs guys who were PS call ups. Deebo looked like he didn't want to be there.

I just think looking at how that game went and acting like it was Kyle Shanahan's fault is so lazy.

Do you say he is blameless 100%?

Originally posted by Montana:
So stupid of him to not defer and settle for an fg, dumbs**t decisions

Lol Kyle said the defense was wiped out..well in that case, you better be damn sure to get a TD..derp, this isn't rocket surgery

Oh wait..I am not supposed to say any of this OMG 😱

I mean..what I meant to say is..Kyle has one of greatest minds in football..he will get 3 rings..maybe more..maybe 10. This year for sure.

Nothing like hyperbole and sarcasm to act like your point is valid.

Here are some facts for you to stew over.

We had a TD play called on 3rd down and watched a player not execute it properly and ruin the play. You're playing a very good KC defense and a brilliant DC coaching them. You have a 2nd year QB who while great is still young and not as experienced as you'd like.

You also haven't seen Mahomes actually go down the field and score a TD since the first half of the AFCCG actually. You know if you go for it on 4th down and you don't get it...now Mahomes needs just a FG to win the SB.

It was 100% the right decision. Anyone acting otherwise is simply making coaching decisions with hindsight. I'm pretty confident if Kyle had that ability he'd change some calls.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Like I said these guys are so hell bent to blame Kyle for all the losses they're talking all over themselves.

Faithful will acknowledge that the Chiefs and Mahomes couldn't get a real TD drive all game long and then act like Kyle's decision making in OT should've been based on Mahomes from his MVP seasons.

Yes we lost and Mahomes got that TD drive in the end so people can go back to the "you never let Mahomes have the ball last!" conversation and act like it had merit the whole time.

Fact is Kyle's decisions were sound. The more dangerous unit on the field for the Chiefs was their defense. Let's talk about the fact that we had several of our big time players have horrible games. Even CMC as good as he played stat wise had the critical fumble when the offense was driving and a total momentum changer.

Trent Williams had a brutal game with penalties and some key failures even in run blocking vs guys who were PS call ups. Deebo looked like he didn't want to be there.

I just think looking at how that game went and acting like it was Kyle Shanahan's fault is so lazy.

Do you say he is blameless 100%?

No I've already said my issues with Kyle in the game. But if we're making a list of blame in order of most to blame at the top, Kyle would be closer to the bottom than the top.

I don't know anyone outside these forums who thinks Kyle made the right call in OT.

Originally posted by Cisco0623:
I don't know anyone outside these forums who thinks Kyle made the right call in OT.

There was no right call. Maybe you don't listen/watch other ppl talk about it. Go back to the first week after the SB loss, I posted links to other players / media guys talking about it, so did others. Reid even said it was a 50/50 call. I'm sure you just ignored it though. Like I'm sure you will ignore this and then be back b***hing about it again tomorrow and next week and the week after, and so on.

I guarantee you if the rules stay the same, 100% of coaches choose to defer if a super bowl goes to overtime. Kyle made a very poor decision and it likely cost him a super bowl win.

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I guarantee you if the rules stay the same, 100% of coaches choose to defer if a super bowl goes to overtime. Kyle made a very poor decision and it likely cost him a super bowl win.

Analytics say it's 50/50 with a slight edge to receiving first, so no, most coaches wouldn't defer what was an essentially a coin flip. Man, how people fail to understand how a 50/50 decision is meant so that there's no discernible advantage, is beyond me.

Originally posted by Chance:

Originally posted by ninerfaninnorcal:
I guarantee you if the rules stay the same, 100% of coaches choose to defer if a super bowl goes to overtime. Kyle made a very poor decision and it likely cost him a super bowl win.

Analytics say it's 50/50 with a slight edge to receiving first, so no, most coaches wouldn't defer what was an essentially a coin flip. Man, how people fail to understand how a 50/50 decision is meant so that there's no discernible advantage, is beyond me.

Basic math is hard for some

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Do you say he is blameless 100%?

He's not Jimmy Garoppolo, Steve Wilks, or Jim Harbaugh so no.

Originally posted by Chance:
Analytics say it's 50/50 with a slight edge to receiving first, so no, most coaches wouldn't defer what was an essentially a coin flip. Man, how people fail to understand how a 50/50 decision is meant so that there's no discernible advantage, is beyond me.

We want the ball 3rd, and we're gonna score