49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We scored more ppg in 2019 than we did last season. We ranked 2nd in ppg in the league. 4th in yds. So the O arrived that year, and it's been strong ever since. I would say the roster is most talented last year, but we haven't gotten by KC at any point be in 19, 22 or 23. So it's hard for me to sit here and say well Spags got the best in one game, as if Kyle has gotten the better of it in his fair share of those matchups. He hasn't.

We had a limited pass game with a turnover prone QB who performed pretty poorly in the playoffs in each of those seasons. Would agree we had a very good run game for the most part. Points and yards don't tell a complete story, as you should have learned last season with our defense. Spags has gotten the best of us twice on the big stage. Once when our QB had one of the worst closing performances in the SB in recent memory. Our QB didn't play particularly great in this game either (though much better than Jimmy in '19), and we had inexplicable turnovers that robbed us of two possessions, one in scoring position. It can happen in a one game scenario.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
His point was clear to anyone without mental gymnastics trying to put everything on Kyle Shanahan.

Even great offenses can be stopped and 1 game sample size, even in the SB doesn't change the overall production. You tried to act like the 49ers offense wasn't good enough simply because of the result in the SB.

Same logic can easily be applied to the Pats in 2007 and unlike the Pats that SB we had better chances to win the game and failed either on defense or due to lack of execution on well designed plays on offense.

it ain't 1 game sample size tho now is it?

With this offense? Yes 1 size.

Unless you think Jimmy G missing plays left and right as a vet is comparable.

We were 2nd in 2019 in points compared to 3rd in 2023. And who picked Jimmy to begin with? Some combination of Lynch and Shanny. This isn't anti-Shanny, it's stating the reality of the situation. He keeps getting worked by Spags. That's the reality. Like vs Schwartz, just not a good matchup for Kyle. Good to figure out why and what needs corrected, rather than trying to argue he does well vs those DCs. He doesn't. Saying it's one game, get real, he literally had a SB rematch vs same HC and DC, a second shot to get it right.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
I notice whenever you have no argument, you pivot into off topic nonsense,
so basically every post

There's no argument here. Just you trolling.

Originally posted by genus49:
With this offense? Yes 1 size.

Unless you think Jimmy G missing plays left and right as a vet is comparable.

He'd take Jimmy all day over Brock.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
it ain't 1 game sample size tho now is it?

You're referencing games when we didn't have a great offense… like in '19, and '21… and lumping it in with this year. We've had a great offense for a season and a half.

We scored more ppg in 2019 than we did last season. We ranked 2nd in ppg in the league. 4th in yds. So the O arrived that year, and it's been strong ever since. I would say the roster is most talented last year, but we haven't gotten by KC at any point be in 19, 22 or 23. So it's hard for me to sit here and say well Spags got the best in one game, as if Kyle has gotten the better of it in his fair share of those matchups. He hasn't.

28.9 ppg in 2023
29.9 ppg in 2019

You think the numbers could be thrown off a bit considering we sat starters for numerous 4th quarters and virtually the whole 17th game this past season?

Every year is different. KC had by far their best defense this year while also having the worst offense under Reid/Mahomes. Pretending they should've put up 35+ on them is dumb. It's a team sport and the defense had the far easier matchup in front of them.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We were 2nd in 2019 in points compared to 3rd in 2023. And who picked Jimmy to begin with? Some combination of Lynch and Shanny. This isn't anti-Shanny, it's stating the reality of the situation. He keeps getting worked by Spags. That's the reality. Like vs Schwartz, just not a good matchup for Kyle. Good to figure out why and what needs corrected, rather than trying to argue he doesn't well vs those DCs. He doesn't. Saying it's one game, get real, he literally had a SB rematch vs same HC and DC, a second shot to get it right.

When we say we have a great offense, that's a fact by nearly all measurements. One game where they underperformed against an elite defense really doesn't change that fact… and neither do games from completely different seasons with a different, and worse, QB. We didn't face an elite defense in '19. We faced an average one.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
When we say we have a great offense, that's a fact by nearly all measurements. One game where they underperformed against an elite defense really doesn't change that fact… and neither do games from completely different seasons with a different, and worse, QB. We didn't face an elite defense in '19. We faced an average one.

A fact in 2019 by near all measurements, so your comment about us not having a great O is wrong there. Great offense isn't the standard either, Shanny has demonstrated he can move the ball and score in season, what's being discussed is more 'is he a good big game HC'. Can he match wits with Spags and or Mahomes and get the W in the big game? That's what his tenure will come down to, is he winning a ring here or not? We already know he can generate offense.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
We were 2nd in 2019 in points compared to 3rd in 2023. And who picked Jimmy to begin with? Some combination of Lynch and Shanny. This isn't anti-Shanny, it's stating the reality of the situation. He keeps getting worked by Spags. That's the reality. Like vs Schwartz, just not a good matchup for Kyle. Good to figure out why and what needs corrected, rather than trying to argue he doesn't well vs those DCs. He doesn't. Saying it's one game, get real, he literally had a SB rematch vs same HC and DC, a second shot to get it right.

When we say we have a great offense, that's a fact by nearly all measurements. One game where they underperformed against an elite defense really doesn't change that fact… and neither do games from completely different seasons with a different, and worse, QB. We didn't face an elite defense in '19. We faced an average one.

Shhhh the man doesn't like facts unless they fit his narrative.

So hard for some to look at individual games and not lump everything together.

The biggest challenge for the 49ers was completely flipped from the 2019 SB when the Chiefs offense was easily the strength of that roster to this year when their offense was mid and their defense was dominant.

When the DC says "there are no weak links on this defense" maybe we just tip our hat to them and not act like it was a massive coaching fail.

The lengths one will go through to prop up Jimmy G.

No one with a functioning brain thinks the 2019 and 2023 offenses were the same.

Originally posted by genus49:
Shhhh the man doesn't like facts unless they fit his narrative.

So hard for some to look at individual games and not lump everything together.

The biggest challenge for the 49ers was completely flipped from the 2019 SB when the Chiefs offense was easily the strength of that roster to this year when their offense was mid and their defense was dominant.

When the DC says "there are no weak links on this defense" maybe we just tip our hat to them and not act like it was a massive coaching fail.

we've been tipping the cap for 5 years

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
When we say we have a great offense, that's a fact by nearly all measurements. One game where they underperformed against an elite defense really doesn't change that fact… and neither do games from completely different seasons with a different, and worse, QB. We didn't face an elite defense in '19. We faced an average one.

A fact in 2019 by near all measurements, so your comment about us not having a great O is wrong there. Great offense isn't the standard either, Shanny has demonstrated he can move the ball and score in season, what's being discussed is more 'is he a good big game HC'. Can he match wits with Spags and or Mahomes and get the W in the big game? That's what his tenure will come down to, is he winning a ring here or not? We already know he can generate offense.

Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
A fact in 2019 by near all measurements, so your comment about us not having a great O is wrong there. Great offense isn't the standard either, Shanny has demonstrated he can move the ball and score in season, what's being discussed is more 'is he a good big game HC'. Can he match wits with Spags and or Mahomes and get the W in the big game? That's what his tenure will come down to, is he winning a ring here or not? We already know he can generate offense.

We just tied the mark for the greatest comeback in NFCCG history with our offense putting up 27 in a half when we absolutely had to have it. We couldn't simply turn off our QB, rely on our elite defense, and run over two tomato can teams like we did in 19.

If you think that 2019 offense was great you just don't know a lot about offense. We had an obviously limited pass game, much moreso than now. We had less talent on the unit across the board. We had great speed at running back, and an average QB who could make some plays here and there.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Shhhh the man doesn't like facts unless they fit his narrative.

So hard for some to look at individual games and not lump everything together.

The biggest challenge for the 49ers was completely flipped from the 2019 SB when the Chiefs offense was easily the strength of that roster to this year when their offense was mid and their defense was dominant.

When the DC says "there are no weak links on this defense" maybe we just tip our hat to them and not act like it was a massive coaching fail.

we've been tipping the cap for 5 years

Yes we saw you tip your cap to a DC that wasn't even on the team the year you claimed earlier.

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

Or if say the 1st play of the SB you can't line up properly or can't get the game winning play in on time. That's actual coaching failures.

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

what's the clear evidence?