49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

what's the clear evidence?

It's called game film.

I challenge you to find a key play in that game where the play call was just flat out doomed from the start despite solid OL blocking.

I posted the film, did you watch the Alex Rollins?

Oh THE Alex Rollins?

Yes. How about you do your own work? Rollins was right in some ways, but he also talked all over himself and contradicted his own points in his own video.

I asked you to show a key play in the game where you felt it was on Kyle and the offense had no chance. You can even timestamp it, i don't need you to clip out the game film and post it here.

check my edit above

Rollins, JTO, Schwartz all talk about the final O play of the season, the popping the center, and why that sucks. Listen to Schwartz who played years in the league. He says it's a design to distort the LB level in zone coverage. KC isn't in zone. KC is bringing the house and in man. Cuz of course they are. It's KC. It's Spags. We kinda know what he likes to do. So per Schwartz, that protection / play needs to be changed at the LOS. Schwartz questions if we even allow BP to do that in our O. In any event, nothing gets changed, and if you listen to all three of those guys, the popping the center doesn't do Burford any favors.

We can do shades of gray here and say Burford effed up, and the protection was clownish also. It was protection for a defense that they weren't in/running. So a clown protection at the critical moment. Just once I would like to see someone say it's on Kyle there, and not simply the player execution. Even if you want to say popping the center is fine, okay how come one of his players failing to execute is not in some way on him? How come good O is to his credit, and lack of execution is on the player? That's having it both ways. But the protection sucks, and it's been called out by many. Or look at the failed 3rd down in regulation. Why is 85 in the backfiled in pass pro? Is that not getting cute? We have a theme here, getting cute on key downs in pass pro. Trying to outwit Spags, and we only outwit ourselves.

And the winner is this!!!! It's what I have been saying all of season the only one he fools wth his shift right is his own guys. Spags is too good to catch off guard. If Kyle would have just played standard protection or even Max protect we win.

that is incorrect. no way we get far in every season with what you and faith believe

Also, Bu has been brainfarting all season and Feli getting injured late in the game was unfortunate.

Yes but the line stints were not working and were the cause of the confusion. Burford was horrible but it was just bad play calling against an amazing D coordinator. The right side was ineffective all game he should have looked left or middle where the gaps in the D were. Even with Feli in McKivitz was a rag doll when it mattered all season long. With a better right side of the line maybe those calls would work.

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:
Is he winning a ring here is a dumb question?
probably the most relevant question imo
We can agree to disagree. My take you are your record, he's a productive coach who struggles and outwits himself in the big games. So that is something he and we will have to overcome. The more he has big game issues, the more the issue will be raised. It was in fact raised to him already, and he got a lil prickly in his defense of his resume. Trust me he's aware of the chatter, and sometimes when it all goes wrong in big spots, you question / second guess yourself in real time. That may be a thing here, until he gets over the hump.

We're not agreeing to disagree. You are moving the goalposts away from the original point… which is that we have a very good offense. Follow the conversation back to Genus' comment that you highlighted and responded to.

We've had the discussion you now want to have multiple times before. It isn't changing. You really don't have any of your own points and you cherry pick things from credible sources… like JTO. How about noting the other things he says.

What did he say about Purdy's performance? Or the effort of the wide receivers, particularly Deebo? You can acknowledge there were multiple issues instead of drilling down on what's convenient for your argument of the day.

I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Amen

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Amen

I think Brock would go off. We all love Juice and I appreciate what he does for the running game, but he doesn't provide the same threat in the passing game as a good route running TE. It's not the hands - Juice has amazing hands - it's the route running out of the backfield. A fullback simply isn't the same as a big, athletic TE. So while using a second TE takes a bit away from the running game, that is somewhat offset by having the best RB in the game. The tradeoff is a better short/intermediate passing game with the second TE.

Originally posted by SmokeyJoe:
We're not agreeing to disagree. You are moving the goalposts away from the original point… which is that we have a very good offense. Follow the conversation back to Genus' comment that you highlighted and responded to.

We've had the discussion you now want to have multiple times before. It isn't changing. You really don't have any of your own points and you cherry pick things from credible sources… like JTO. How about noting the other things he says.

What did he say about Purdy's performance? Or the effort of the wide receivers, particularly Deebo? You can acknowledge there were multiple issues instead of drilling down on what's convenient for your argument of the day.

He blames Kyle for Jimmy's failures and everything works back from there. It's why Kyle is held to a standard he's never held any other coach or player to. He works back from his conclusions and just searches for out of context quotes to prop whatever that is

Can't have a good faith argument with him because he isn't arguing in good faith. He's really just trolling.

Kyle is 72-55 as the 49ers head caoch. That includes the rebuilding years and the years when G was injured a lot. With a healthyQB he'sbeen very successful. He's gotten them to the SB twice and the NFC title game 4 times. All that adds up to being a good coach in my book. The fact that he lost twice in the SB doesn't mean he can't coach. In both of the losses it was player mistakes more than anything that cost them the game. Did he make some bad calls? Sure. Every coach does. He also made good calls that the players screwed up.

Originally posted by CatchMaster80:
Kyle is 72-55 as the 49ers head caoch. That includes the rebuilding years and the years when G was injured a lot. With a healthyQB he'sbeen very successful. He's gotten them to the SB twice and the NFC title game 4 times. All that adds up to being a good coach in my book. The fact that he lost twice in the SB doesn't mean he can't coach. In both of the losses it was player mistakes more than anything that cost them the game. Did he make some bad calls? Sure. Every coach does. He also made good calls that the players screwed up.

Most importantly he rebuilt the image of the 49ers. They were a complete clown show after Baalke/Tomsula/Chip tenures.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

what's the clear evidence?

It's called game film.

I challenge you to find a key play in that game where the play call was just flat out doomed from the start despite solid OL blocking.

I posted the film, did you watch the Alex Rollins?

Oh THE Alex Rollins?

Yes. How about you do your own work? Rollins was right in some ways, but he also talked all over himself and contradicted his own points in his own video.

I asked you to show a key play in the game where you felt it was on Kyle and the offense had no chance. You can even timestamp it, i don't need you to clip out the game film and post it here.

check my edit above

Rollins, JTO, Schwartz all talk about the final O play of the season, the popping the center, and why that sucks. Listen to Schwartz who played years in the league. He says it's a design to distort the LB level in zone coverage. KC isn't in zone. KC is bringing the house and in man. Cuz of course they are. It's KC. It's Spags. We kinda know what he likes to do. So per Schwartz, that protection / play needs to be changed at the LOS. Schwartz questions if we even allow BP to do that in our O. In any event, nothing gets changed, and if you listen to all three of those guys, the popping the center doesn't do Burford any favors.

We can do shades of gray here and say Burford effed up, and the protection was clownish also. It was protection for a defense that they weren't in/running. So a clown protection at the critical moment. Just once I would like to see someone say it's on Kyle there, and not simply the player execution. Even if you want to say popping the center is fine, okay how come one of his players failing to execute is not in some way on him? How come good O is to his credit, and lack of execution is on the player? That's having it both ways. But the protection sucks, and it's been called out by many. Or look at the failed 3rd down in regulation. Why is 85 in the backfiled in pass pro? Is that not getting cute? We have a theme here, getting cute on key downs in pass pro. Trying to outwit Spags, and we only outwit ourselves.

And the winner is this!!!! It's what I have been saying all of season the only one he fools wth his shift right is his own guys. Spags is too good to catch off guard. If Kyle would have just played standard protection or even Max protect we win.

that is incorrect. no way we get far in every season with what you and faith believe

Also, Bu has been brainfarting all season and Feli getting injured late in the game was unfortunate.

Yes but the line stints were not working and were the cause of the confusion. Burford was horrible but it was just bad play calling against an amazing D coordinator. The right side was ineffective all game he should have looked left or middle where the gaps in the D were. Even with Feli in McKivitz was a rag doll when it mattered all season long. With a better right side of the line maybe those calls would work.

no way we should have been in the playoffs let alone in a SB if it were that bad.

Take Chris Jones off the chiefs and we win two rings. CJ is just a great player

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:
no way we should have been in the playoffs let alone in a SB if it were that bad.

Take Chris Jones off the chiefs and we win two rings. CJ is just a great player

Don't know about 2. Jimmy didn't need a rush to throw it to the wrong jersey in crunch time.

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

what's the clear evidence?

It's called game film.

I challenge you to find a key play in that game where the play call was just flat out doomed from the start despite solid OL blocking.

I posted the film, did you watch the Alex Rollins?

Oh THE Alex Rollins?

Yes. How about you do your own work? Rollins was right in some ways, but he also talked all over himself and contradicted his own points in his own video.

I asked you to show a key play in the game where you felt it was on Kyle and the offense had no chance. You can even timestamp it, i don't need you to clip out the game film and post it here.

check my edit above

Rollins, JTO, Schwartz all talk about the final O play of the season, the popping the center, and why that sucks. Listen to Schwartz who played years in the league. He says it's a design to distort the LB level in zone coverage. KC isn't in zone. KC is bringing the house and in man. Cuz of course they are. It's KC. It's Spags. We kinda know what he likes to do. So per Schwartz, that protection / play needs to be changed at the LOS. Schwartz questions if we even allow BP to do that in our O. In any event, nothing gets changed, and if you listen to all three of those guys, the popping the center doesn't do Burford any favors.

We can do shades of gray here and say Burford effed up, and the protection was clownish also. It was protection for a defense that they weren't in/running. So a clown protection at the critical moment. Just once I would like to see someone say it's on Kyle there, and not simply the player execution. Even if you want to say popping the center is fine, okay how come one of his players failing to execute is not in some way on him? How come good O is to his credit, and lack of execution is on the player? That's having it both ways. But the protection sucks, and it's been called out by many. Or look at the failed 3rd down in regulation. Why is 85 in the backfiled in pass pro? Is that not getting cute? We have a theme here, getting cute on key downs in pass pro. Trying to outwit Spags, and we only outwit ourselves.

And the winner is this!!!! It's what I have been saying all of season the only one he fools wth his shift right is his own guys. Spags is too good to catch off guard. If Kyle would have just played standard protection or even Max protect we win.

that is incorrect. no way we get far in every season with what you and faith believe

Also, Bu has been brainfarting all season and Feli getting injured late in the game was unfortunate.

Yes but the line stints were not working and were the cause of the confusion. Burford was horrible but it was just bad play calling against an amazing D coordinator. The right side was ineffective all game he should have looked left or middle where the gaps in the D were. Even with Feli in McKivitz was a rag doll when it mattered all season long. With a better right side of the line maybe those calls would work.

We can point out flaws in Kyle's protection schemes til we're blue in the face, end of the day the key plays in the game were not ruined because of them. They were ruined because the players didn't do what they were coached to do, good or bad they didn't do their job.

I like Burford as a person and he's got some talent and is young but he was awful. Just awful in that game. He got his ass beat bad by one of the KC backups I believe on the 2nd down run we lost yards on. Then by his own(and Feliciano's) admission did his own thing.

He wasn't confused, he simply as he put it "went with his gut" and allowed a free lane to two rushers right to Brock on a play we had 2 guys break open.

Pretty sure he also got beat like a drum on the missed throw to Deebo when he actually got open because Brock had no chance for a proper throw.

We got to the SB with all these OL flaws and protection issues people want to call out. Clearly something was working right. Then it didn't. Started with Feliciano's injury and Burford clearly wasn't ready for the big moment. Hard to fault him when Trent Williams one of the best in the game had one of his worst games.

Tho I'm sure some in here would blame Shanahan for that too…

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49AllTheTime:

Originally posted by bassmanr:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by genus49:
Getting the W isn't about matching wits with Spags or Mahomes. This isn't a VR game where if Kyle thinks it, it happens as he sees it. It's not chess where you move the pieces.

It's football. Coaches design the game plan, call the plays but need the players to execute them. Despite the flaws Kyle displayed in the game we have clear evidence that he can match wits with those guys. The plays are there to be made even if we can disagree if designing some of those plays to Aiyuk vs Deebo would've produced better results.

The results were there to be had. The execution wasn't there. The execution was there for Reid/Spags. That's how it goes sometimes.

You'd have a point if the bulk of the failed plays were schematic problems or not open if the OL holds up...or in some cases simply get in the way or try to block defenders.

what's the clear evidence?

It's called game film.

I challenge you to find a key play in that game where the play call was just flat out doomed from the start despite solid OL blocking.

I posted the film, did you watch the Alex Rollins?

Oh THE Alex Rollins?

Yes. How about you do your own work? Rollins was right in some ways, but he also talked all over himself and contradicted his own points in his own video.

I asked you to show a key play in the game where you felt it was on Kyle and the offense had no chance. You can even timestamp it, i don't need you to clip out the game film and post it here.

check my edit above

Rollins, JTO, Schwartz all talk about the final O play of the season, the popping the center, and why that sucks. Listen to Schwartz who played years in the league. He says it's a design to distort the LB level in zone coverage. KC isn't in zone. KC is bringing the house and in man. Cuz of course they are. It's KC. It's Spags. We kinda know what he likes to do. So per Schwartz, that protection / play needs to be changed at the LOS. Schwartz questions if we even allow BP to do that in our O. In any event, nothing gets changed, and if you listen to all three of those guys, the popping the center doesn't do Burford any favors.

We can do shades of gray here and say Burford effed up, and the protection was clownish also. It was protection for a defense that they weren't in/running. So a clown protection at the critical moment. Just once I would like to see someone say it's on Kyle there, and not simply the player execution. Even if you want to say popping the center is fine, okay how come one of his players failing to execute is not in some way on him? How come good O is to his credit, and lack of execution is on the player? That's having it both ways. But the protection sucks, and it's been called out by many. Or look at the failed 3rd down in regulation. Why is 85 in the backfiled in pass pro? Is that not getting cute? We have a theme here, getting cute on key downs in pass pro. Trying to outwit Spags, and we only outwit ourselves.

And the winner is this!!!! It's what I have been saying all of season the only one he fools wth his shift right is his own guys. Spags is too good to catch off guard. If Kyle would have just played standard protection or even Max protect we win.

that is incorrect. no way we get far in every season with what you and faith believe

Also, Bu has been brainfarting all season and Feli getting injured late in the game was unfortunate.

Yes but the line stints were not working and were the cause of the confusion. Burford was horrible but it was just bad play calling against an amazing D coordinator. The right side was ineffective all game he should have looked left or middle where the gaps in the D were. Even with Feli in McKivitz was a rag doll when it mattered all season long. With a better right side of the line maybe those calls would work.

We can point out flaws in Kyle's protection schemes til we're blue in the face, end of the day the key plays in the game were not ruined because of them. They were ruined because the players didn't do what they were coached to do, good or bad they didn't do their job.

I like Burford as a person and he's got some talent and is young but he was awful. Just awful in that game. He got his ass beat bad by one of the KC backups I believe on the 2nd down run we lost yards on. Then by his own(and Feliciano's) admission did his own thing.

He wasn't confused, he simply as he put it "went with his gut" and allowed a free lane to two rushers right to Brock on a play we had 2 guys break open.

Pretty sure he also got beat like a drum on the missed throw to Deebo when he actually got open because Brock had no chance for a proper throw.

We got to the SB with all these OL flaws and protection issues people want to call out. Clearly something was working right. Then it didn't. Started with Feliciano's injury and Burford clearly wasn't ready for the big moment. Hard to fault him when Trent Williams one of the best in the game had one of his worst games.

Tho I'm sure some in here would blame Shanahan for that too…

I agree it was not just Shanahan, much more than that. CMC fumble, muffed punt bad execution on D the last two series. However I wish he would have played more to the left side when we needed the last drive to a Touchdown instead of a field goal. The other issues he has are trying to use line shifts to distract where the play is going. Spags is way too good to get fooled he should have played more inside slants and better pass protection to give Brock more time.

I don't think it was all Kyle but he should be more aware of what was not working and adjust in key moments. Especially when the weakest part of our team was the right side of the line.

Getting to the superbowl and not winning is like getting a hot girl naked and not getting laid. 😒

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Amen

It would be awesome if he developed but I'm not seeing it

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Amen

It would be crazy if he dropped to us. Unlikely but if it happened, good lawd

huh lol

Originally posted by q0c0p:

Originally posted by 49erFaithful6:

Originally posted by tankle104:
I'm really hoping Latu develops and makes a huge jump going into his second year. It would be awesome to see what Kyle could cook up with two athletic catching tight ends.

Amen

It would be awesome if he developed but I'm not seeing it

you gotta pray that's the only way