49ers Head Coach Kyle Shanahan Thread

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by Kolohe:
Yah nevermind that Chris Jones tosses everyone aside in the NFL. You act like it was just some talented rookie who owned the 49ers right side of the O-line, if it was, then I'd agree. And I wouldn't say that the O-line failed in two Super Bowls, the first Shanahan Super Bowl, IMO, was due to a lack of play calling in the running game. Mostert had only 12 attempts in that game, Brieda - Inactive and Jeff Wilson had one carry, Tevin Coleman 5 carries and Deebo had 3 carries. Only 20 carries, during the season the carry the somewhere around 40 times a game.

Anyway, getting played out, no I don't think so. The Shanahan tree is growing in the NFL, New Orleans just picked up Kubiak as their OC.

Chris Jones was arguably the MVP for the first Superbowl. Other teams may be adopting Kyle's scheme, but that does not mean they are drafting the same way. Kansas City won the Superbowl and this draft said we still want the best talent at the position of need. They wanted speed and .over up to draft the fastest receiver. They wanted a tackle and moved up to get him. You draft talent and coach them.

Yah of course they aren't drafting the same way, you're putting too much stock in big name players. Meanwhile Shanahan's team is constantly in the NFC Championship and been in the Super Bowl twice in 7 seasons. What team besides KC can say they've done that? But with that said you act like Shanahan doesn't add talent, Brock Purdy, Trent Williams, CMC, Kittle, Deebo, Aiyuk, Nick Bosa, Fred Warner, Talanoa Hufanga, we are talking about 1st and 2nd team All Pros here. Now what!!

Originally posted by NYniner85:

The #49ers ended up with 6 of Daniel Jeremiah's Top-150 Players:

• 40, Ricky Pearsall (selected 31)
• 66, Dominick Puni (selected 86)
• 118, Drake Nugent (UDFA)
• 122, Isaac Guerendo (selected 129)
• 127, Jacob Cowing (selected 135)
• 133, Malik Mustapha (selected 124) pic.twitter.com/JFuEMHRORX

— Coach Yac 🗣 (@Coach_Yac) April 28, 2024

And people say they didn't add talent but only player that fit their scheme.

Originally posted by northoakland510:
Kyle's philosophy of scheme fit over talent is getting played out. That works until the talent on the other side is all pro like Chris Jones. He has worked this line and Kyle still doesn't value the best talent when drafting o-line.

No offense but this is dumb. Scheme fit is critical in the success of drafting. Yes you want talented players of course but unless you're picking high enough where someone can be so talented that you build your scheme around them...then yes you should 100% consider scheme fit.

The teams who draft better than others have consistency in their scheme and they find talented players who fit well for what they do and don't care about how they may play somewhere else.

Unfortunately one downside of Kyle being so successful in recent history is a lot of his disciples who run the same or very similar scheme also value the same type of player so you have to account for that. That may lead to more "reach" picks but end of the day it's their play that says they were reaches or steals.

Originally posted by Sickaa:

Originally posted by NYniner85:

Originally posted by GoreGoreGore:
Learn to read lol

Is Reid available right now?

You mean is Mahomes available….

He was In 2017

If we're drafting with hindsight I'm pretty sure Myles Garrett would be a 49er right now.

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by WINiner:
So played out a good part of the NFL is going out of their way to replicate it.

The team that beat them in the Superbowl knew to trade up for the more talented Suamataia. These dudes wait 20 more picks to draft a less talented player. I like Puni tape, but the are passing up better players.

We'll see how that goes.

As we found out this year the Chiefs in essence lucked into their dynasty. They were set to draft Paxton Lynch before Denver traded ahead of them to "steal him" KC as a result moved down and ended up taking Chris Jones(traded down with us btw, as we took Josh Garnett :(). Following year they drafted Mahomes a move 100% they don't make if Denver doesn't take Lynch ahead of them and they end up drafting him in the first round the year prior.

I personally liked Suamataia and wish we drafted him but we'll see how he does. He could be great and we regret it. He could be great and so is Green and it's a wash or he could suck while Green is dominating at CB for us.

Time will tell.

Originally posted by NYniner85:
Paying him so much $ is part of the reason why they can't pay more elsewhere.

also it's not like they haven't invested in the OL. Top 10 pick at RT. Made their center one of the highest paid guys at one point. Top 50 pick at LG. Just moved up for another OG. Signed Mack at one point.

Yup. It's the board doesn't fit the position sometimes.

This is the first db they have drafted in the first 2 rounds ever. Only team to not do that the last 7 years. Made one FA signing of note on the secondary. LB and TE depth has generally been an afterthought as well.

The myopic focus on only one position group on this team is crazy.

"If Trent Williams goes down the season is over"

Well what happens to the season if Fred Warner goes down?

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by northoakland510:

Originally posted by WINiner:
So played out a good part of the NFL is going out of their way to replicate it.

The team that beat them in the Superbowl knew to trade up for the more talented Suamataia. These dudes wait 20 more picks to draft a less talented player. I like Puni tape, but the are passing up better players.

We'll see how that goes.

As we found out this year the Chiefs in essence lucked into their dynasty. They were set to draft Paxton Lynch before Denver traded ahead of them to "steal him" KC as a result moved down and ended up taking Chris Jones(traded down with us btw, as we took Josh Garnett :(). Following year they drafted Mahomes a move 100% they don't make if Denver doesn't take Lynch ahead of them and they end up drafting him in the first round the year prior.

I personally liked Suamataia and wish we drafted him but we'll see how he does. He could be great and we regret it. He could be great and so is Green and it's a wash or he could suck while Green is dominating at CB for us.

Time will tell.

Agree, I think in 1979 NY Giants took Phil Simms, and Walsh had to settle for Joe Montana, in 1985 (I think) teams took Eddie Brown and Al Toon ahead of the 49ers, and Walsh had to settle for Jerry Rice.

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7:25 for alll the Kyle's an egomaniac folks

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, I think in 1979 NY Giants took Phil Simms, and Walsh had to settle for Joe Montana, in 1985 (I think) teams took Eddie Brown and Al Toon ahead of the 49ers, and Walsh had to settle for Jerry Rice.

Funny how one of the worst trades in our history(Over the hill OJ Simpson) led to the best thing for the franchise.

Originally posted by genus49:

Originally posted by Giedi:
Agree, I think in 1979 NY Giants took Phil Simms, and Walsh had to settle for Joe Montana, in 1985 (I think) teams took Eddie Brown and Al Toon ahead of the 49ers, and Walsh had to settle for Jerry Rice.

Funny how one of the worst trades in our history(Over the hill OJ Simpson) led to the best thing for the franchise.

Or Trey leading to Brock

Once again OL and lack of pass protection will be the main driver behind the reasons this team will not win a SB. Book it I can guarantee it.

I just do not get this teams overthinking and outsmarting themselves strategy. I will never get it. This FO has gone from a great resurgence story for the 49ers franchise to a reoccurring repetitive nightmare. Their strategy is the definition of insanity. People forget Shanahan and lynch are not lifelong niner fans like we are, they are just current employees. They have both worked for or played for other franchises before here, and then will move onto other franchises after it doesn't work out here. They are not living and breathing for our first SB win in thirty years like we are. We are just another stop in their career for them to try out ideas like drafting a motherf**king WR in the first round when that is the absolute last position we need help at.

They will not win a SB until they change their strategy. Book it.

o an also stop using "well the shanahan tree is growing an his coaches get hired by other teams" as a measure of his success. What does that do for us? What has that gained the 49ers? How many trophies has that gotten us? Stupidest justification an attempt to deny reality Iv ever heard.

Originally posted by BobSacamano69:
Once again OL and lack of pass protection will be the main driver behind the reasons this team will not win a SB. Book it I can guarantee it.

I just do not get this teams overthinking and outsmarting themselves strategy. I will never get it. This FO has gone from a great resurgence story for the 49ers franchise to a reoccurring repetitive nightmare. Their strategy is the definition of insanity. People forget Shanahan and lynch are not lifelong niner fans like we are, they are just current employees. They have both worked for or played for other franchises before here, and then will move onto other franchises after it doesn't work out here. They are not living and breathing for our first SB win in thirty years like we are. We are just another stop in their career for them to try out ideas like drafting a motherf**king WR in the first round when that is the absolute last position we need help at.

They will not win a SB until they change their strategy. Book it.

o an also stop using "well the shanahan tree is growing an his coaches get hired by other teams" as a measure of his success. What does that do for us? What has that gained the 49ers? How many trophies has that gotten us? Stupidest justification an attempt to deny reality Iv ever heard.

49ers loss two Super Bowls for a lot of reasons, pass blocking was part of it but not the main reason. Was I mad they didn't take a Tackle, sure, but I was also mad they passed on Cooper DeJean and could've had Kinsley Suamataia in the 2nd. But I don't think you're looking at the big picture here at WR, for one, Deebo had a hard time beating mad coverage in the Super Bowl. Two, Jennings and Deebo aren't gonna be around for much longer and you could even argue Aiyuk too, but I think something gets worked out. Ray Ray is gone, Danny Gray sucks and is on his way out, Bell, although a decent WR, he sucks as a return man. The WR group is very shaky and up in the air, so I get it why they took Pearsall, he could contribute right away over any OT that was left, not to mention he was one of the best WR's at running routes in this draft.

Kyle seems to think guys not getting open is more the problem than the line not blocking. I think it's more the blocking.

Originally posted by niners94:
Kyle seems to think guys not getting open is more the problem than the line not blocking. I think it's more the blocking.

What do you do when the player you like is gone? Do you just take the same position for the hell of it and hope it works out? Do you take the next position of who you think is best available? Sometimes coaches and GM's get it wrong, but watching the draft since it first aired on NFLN, fans seem to think they're never wrong.

Originally posted by niners94:
Kyle seems to think guys not getting open is more the problem than the line not blocking. I think it's more the blocking.

it went from he schemes em open to we need some guys who can get themselves open
in any event i'm excited to see what he can do with some of these new guys